King of the Romans OOC thread VIII

[Northnovas]

I would like to throw in my two cents for the work done in the KotR PBEM. As I wait for a Chancellor report I am glad that I can surf through the threads and read the good work done by Overnight for the history thread and Tin Cow with the library thread.
This PBEM also got started with a good base from econ21. The contributions in the stories and battle reports by everyone have been excellent and it sure helps keep the interest when things are quiet.
It's been very enjoyable and addictive to log in and see what is happening. My last SP campaign was finished just as this PBEM started. I haven't been able to be attentive enough for another SP game while this is going on.

Okay that is the commercial break for this PBEM for anyone lurking and thinking of joining.
Still waiting for some report..............

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for not putting up the Conrad finale in the meantime. Dealing with wired 7-10 year-olds does not leave me in a state conductive to good writing.

-edit- Seems as if Ignoramus is enjoying the .Org Arcade instead of posting a report...

[Ignoramus]

I really am sorry guys. I can only play MTW2 on my older brother's computer(the one I'm using at the moment can't handle it), and he's been really busy lately, so I haven't had a chance to upload the save game. I will try and get both report and save up within the next 3 hours. Once again, I apologise for the long delay.

[econ21]

I will try and get both report and save up within the next 3 hours.

Three hours have passed. It's not clear to me why you need to use your brother's computer for any significant period of time in order to write a report or upload a save.

You could write an annual Chancellor’s report for 1240 without loading up the game - just tell us what happened. You don’t need to go into the detailed itemisation that Factionheir did; you could just write a broad brush speech to the Diet highlighting the big events and issues - as I did with Henry. I actually prefer that approach - it's more in character; people who want the nitty gritty could upload the save.

And on the save, just upload the start of 1241 savegame. You don’t need to use your brother’s computer for more than 30 seconds; just copy the relevant file off it. A savegame and a report would keep other players’ happy while waiting for you to have some serious gaming time on your brother’s computer.

I really am sorry guys. I can only play MTW2 on my older brother's computer(the one I'm using at the moment can't handle it), and he's been really busy lately, so I haven't had a chance to upload the save game.

There's no need to apologise, but we do need to find a work around this problem.

The ideal thing for you to do is negotiate with your brother to have some access to his computer - say one hour every two days. If that is not possible, we may have to think of a more drastic solution - an emergency Diet to change the Chancellor or perhaps you sending me orders, and I implementing them for you.

What kills most PBMs is people who are supposed to be playing the game realising they can’t find the time and not making alternative arrangements. To deal with that problem in one of the most successful MTW PBMs (an Almohad one), Kukrikhan imposed a 48 hour reporting requirement on Kings.

I propose we do something like that here. Chancellors should post their progress within 48 hours being given the savegame - specifically, either uploading a new save for another player to fight or posting a start of new turn save for players to inspect. The penalty for not making such progress is an Emergency Diet session (which, if nothing else, buys the Chancellor more time to sort out whatever is stopping them making progress).

This might be a bit draconian but I think it is reasonable - what do people think?

[Warluster]

I reckon its fine, the 48 hour rule sounds good.

Like you said econ, if you have a USB stick Ignoramus, maybe you could copy the save from it to another computer with internet (If you don't have your own internet usable computer, maybe a library one?)

I also think, that once you've played the turn, straight away you should write up the report unless you have a urgent matter (like cooking dinner :P)

Good thinking, 99.

[OverKnight]

Considering it has taken a week to advance one turn in the game and we still don't have a summary of what has occured, something needs to be done. OOC concerns can also be grounds for an Emegency Diet Session.

[Ignoramus]

The save's uploaded. It's been up for almost 2 hours.

[econ21]

The save's uploaded. It's been up for almost 2 hours.

Thanks. Please post a link when you upload a save (in the uploader, go to view files, right click, save short cut and then paste here). E.g.:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1242.zip

Let's start the clock on the next savegame - please can we have one either for a battle or for 1244 within 48 hours of this post?

I've just uploaded the savegame and Xdeathfire has been ambushed by the French. Have you PMd him about this Ignoramus? He has 48 hours to fight the battle.

[FactionHeir]

I agree with the limit econ. I have been starting to lose interest with nothing happening at all.

[Stig]

I agree with the limit econ. I have been starting to lose interest with nothing happening at all.

Aye same here, the reason Ansehelm won't run for chancellor in the upcoming months is because I simply don't have the time.

[Stig]

Igno!!!

I asked you to retreat Ansehelm to Thorn so that he could build an army, and now he's even further from Thorn than before.

YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT EDICT, REMEMBER!!!

I know that a chancellor can do as he wants, but you can atleast listen to the nobles.
Thus: I want you to move Ansehelm to Thorn immediatly (he can fight that army in front of him and then retreat in the direction of Thorn) and as I said, take Thorn of Automanage.

[econ21]

Stig: it would be best to save the for the Diet.


We should keep things friendly OOC.


Also, if we have the OOC threat of an Emergency Diet session for slow progress by the Chancellor, it would be good to have some in-character to justify such a session, if it were to come about.

[FactionHeir]

I can see econ is enjoying the role of Elberhard and has taken some of it OOC too

[StoneCold]

econ, your handle is still Kaiser Henry... :P Still can't give up your Kaiser seat? :P

[TevashSzat]

Got the save, will most likely fight it tonight

[OverKnight]

Having looked at the latest save, we need a report to explain what is going on .

Did we just crossover into Didz's Scottish Blog?

I am very confused.

[StoneCold]

OK, why did you say that?

[Stuperman]

Cause there is some business with scotland? econ seems to have 'accidently' announce something to that effect in the diet.

[Stig]

Stig: it would be best to save the for the Diet.

Only when Ansehelm is pissed off. Now I'm pissed off, how hard is it to do what people ask?

Also, if we have the OOC threat of an Emergency Diet session for slow progress by the Chancellor

No need for an Emergency Diet, we don't need new Edicts, just a new chancellor in that case.

[StoneCold]

I think the bavarians are also pissed off, maybe you could just get enough pple to call an emergency session to change the chancellor.

[econ21]

Only when Ansehelm is pissed off. Now I'm pissed off, how hard is it to do what people ask?

Please don't take game events personally. I know it's frustrating, but by the rules, the Chancellor is perfectly at liberty not to do what people ask him to do with their character. He's kind of like the football player with the ball and you are asking him to pass it to you; he does not have to.

He can even disobey edicts - the consequences should be played out in character.

Ansehelm can be pissed off; Stig should chalk it up to part of PBMing's rich tapestry.

[McIwoo]

tackle the ball carrier even if he is your team mate I say

I find it spices up the game and I think we need a lile IC anyway !

[Ituralde]

So I guess, the consent is that we wait for the Chancellor's Report, before reacting to the current save?

[econ21]

So I guess, the consent is that we wait for the Chancellor's Report, before reacting to the current save?

That's the norm, but given the lack of feedback, I did not feel constrained to have Elberhard honour it.

Bear in mind that it seems to be a mid-1242 save - I guess taxes may be adjusted to avoid some of the red faces (in game and out of game) later on.

[Stig]

Well, we already are mid 1242 but still lack a chancellor report for 1240 and 1242.
I give Igno 24 hours before Ansehelm returns to Rome to start shouting in the Diet.

[Ituralde]

I already noticed that red face in the 1240 save, while fighting Arnold's battle, and said to myself, I will mention that should it be in a later savegame.
Just a displeased Austrian Elector!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Re: Stig's latest post in the Diet

Okay, I'll edit it out. You do yours too.

[Stig]

Heh, I wanted to post here, but I have to much tabs open


*blames Firefox*

[AussieGiant]

Guy's,

OOC you can't get annoyed as Igno actions. What Econ states is very good advise.


This is what I see;

Here we are steam rolling the AI, and looking for ways to limit our total domination of the game, and at the first sign of some IC role play issues that are knocking us of our total domination plan, we all go bonkers.

Come on fella's...role play it...this is what it's all about.

Keep in mind that OOC it's just a game.

If you want to be Power Players who have all the good gear and get to be invicible then you've missed the point by a long shot.

Let Igno do what he's doing...it's certainly generated the most excitment I've seen in quite some time.

Personally I'd like us all to feel a set back or two, just so we know what it's like.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My reasons for impeaching him are strictly IC. He violated the Charter on multiple occasions and Conrad believes that his sort of behavior should not be allowed to stand.