King of the Romans OOC thread XI

[Stuperman]

I have no Idea what Tamur and FH are talking about.

[FactionHeir]

Actually I would go from +1 to +2. That would give me more influence than some Crusader Counts but the same as others. (the ones who are Chancellors or ex-chancellors) TC and I hashed this out in the last OOC thread last Diet. Being King gives me +1 because a Kaiser rule dispute would pretty much rule that I am a CC for influence purposes since there is no King listed in the influence. We're going by long precedent on that one. CA 12.4 would simply give the King+2 and would not be stacked. I would not claim to be both a CC and a King.

Actually before the passage of 11.4, the King was listed as +1 influence in the C&G. 11.4 removed that I believe.

[Privateerkev]

Well, again that is precedent. It was put in the C&G because that was how we were playing. There is no explicit law to give the King +1. We just claim that the Charter of Outremer infers that it gives +1 to the King.

[StoneCold]

Stuperman, I think they are talking in D&D terms. Meaning rolling a 4 sided dice to determine the amount of influence one has, hence the d4, and keep rolling until one gets a 4 in influence.

Tamur and FH correct me if I am wrong.

[FactionHeir]

Quite.

[TinCow]

Well, again that is precedent. It was put in the C&G because that was how we were playing. There is no explicit law to give the King +1. We just claim that the Charter of Outremer infers that it gives +1 to the King.

Yeah, that was the idea. The notion was that the King was also a Crusader Count (essentially a promoted one) so he counted for the +1. I guess it isn't specifically laid out at the moment. I, for one, am not going to bring that up in the Diet. I feel bad enough for having drawn out this technical morass of a Diet session and I will not contribute to it further.

[Privateerkev]

And I deeply appreciate you not having Lothar bring up that little bomb. I figured since we settled it OOC, its all good.

[FactionHeir]

Oh, but one of the others might (not Hans though)

[Stuperman]

Don't worry, there are plenty of other Political Land Mines lying around.

@PK, I wasn't suggesting anything like govern-by comitee, more an exchange of pm's. I really don't care OOC, and IC it's more a Bavarian Sovernty thing for Gerhad, I really don't care what gets built in Adana, As long as Bavaria has final say, beit through veto power or some other mechanism.

[Privateerkev]

FH:

They can but we have pretty much agreed OOC how its going to go so they'll just be spinning their wheels.

SM:

Well, our exchange scared Hans so much that he screwed over Jan. It has made for some interesting PM's. :D

Even though I am not doing too well IC, I am having a blast OOC. ^_^

[FactionHeir]

Pah, scared. More like disappointed in Jan's behavior.

[Privateerkev]

Well, it seems Hans seems scared that he is going to lose the election.

[FactionHeir]

Not really. He doesn't care too much over Outremer's vote anyway, although he does like to keep them friendly.
The idea of his candidacy was mostly for creating a contest in the first place, not to absolutely win it.

[Tamur]

So what prevents people from just rerolling until they get +4?

hadn't thought of that.

This all has been great fun to watch. Unfortunately I've got too much going to join in the festivities more than the occasional introverted Fritz tirade.

[Privateerkev]

FH:

Well, yeah the Outremer vote is pretty small this time around. But he is scared at losing face to the other houses. He also doesn't seem to think that Jan is his superior. Time to go fuedalism on someone's !@#

[FactionHeir]

One of the reasons (and Jan doesn't know it) is that he doesn't actually want to be a crusader count but rather fight the Mongols and then go back to Europe.

[Privateerkev]

Jan might not "know" it for sure but he did notice the "convenient" timing of when Hans decided to stay. So, he has his suspicions. That and another character is whispering in is ear to lend weight to those suspicions. Ah the intrigue...

[FactionHeir]

Well, I would expect no less from an OverKnight with no chivalry and less piety than either Hans or Jan

Still, you have yet to reply to the PM. Just to make it more fun.

[Privateerkev]

Because he is sitting on it. :D

Hans miffed him off big time.

[Ituralde]

The laptop of my girlfriend was repaired in time, so I will at least have internet access. Don't expect too much activity though, since I'm moving on Friday, things could get a little confused here until then.

I see that there has been quite a discussion in the Diet. Quite nice. I'm gonna let Siegfried keep quiet until later though. Just post my votes.
Maybe an OOC explanation to why I practically abolished CA 11.6.

The thing is that unlike other CAs that changed the Charter, that one forgot to clean up after himself. If you look at the current Charter there are now two sections which tell how the King of Outremere gets nominated and for how long. So there's a rule conflict and as Kaiser it was my job to solve it. This does not mean that one can't change the Charter of Outremere, but if you propose something that contradicts the Charter of Outremere, make sure to ammend the Charter so that it is consistent.

I'll probably let Siegfried talk a bit that IC too, but that's the OOC thoughts I had on the matter.

Keep up the discussion!

Ituralde

[Privateerkev]

Well, econ actually had the Prince rule that it stays. With "conflicting legislation", we're supposed to only compare ones from the latest session. Not a current one compared to a past one. If you do that, then they pretty much all conflict.

[FactionHeir]

The problem is that Ituralde only has 5 Authority. If he had 10 like econ, his word would be divine mandate
It lends quite nicely to intrigue though, that debacle over Jan's term.

Btw, I just noticed Hans is the last survivor of the first crusade.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, seeing as he was only a teenager when it began...

[OverKnight]

Jan might not "know" it for sure but he did notice the "convenient" timing of when Hans decided to stay. So, he has his suspicions. That and another character is whispering in is ear to lend weight to those suspicions. Ah the intrigue...

Well, I would expect no less from an OverKnight with no chivalry and less piety than either Hans or Jan

I can categorically assure everyone that Matthias Steffen is not behind these rumors. The "Crusader Veterans for Truth" Political Action Commitee is in no way affiliated with the "Matthias '80" campaign.

That is all.

[econ21]

Thanks to Tincow's initiative and TosaInu's ability to work miracles, all members on the playlist should now have a PM box capacity of 200. So we should not have to post "Ignoramus, please clear your PM box" ... for another week or so, at least.

[OverKnight]

It's good to have friends in high places.

[Privateerkev]

Ig could solve this by... clearing his PM box periodically.

And then perhaps the screaming inside my head will stop...

Please make it stop...

huh? lol

[AussieGiant]

Oh mighty one you have made great sense in your decision...

...many member now wery happy!!

Thanks Econ

[GeneralHankerchief]

many member now wery happy!!

Wow, I haven't seen that spelling since I read the Dark Tower series.

AG, are you a fan or was that just unintentional?

[AussieGiant]

Wow, I haven't seen that spelling since I read the Dark Tower series.

AG, are you a fan or was that just unintentional?

I read like I breath air. The Dark Tower series sounds familar, maybe it was sub conscious on my behalf. Who is the auther and main characters.