King of the Romans OOC thread XI

[Privateerkev]

*slaps hand to forhead*

Oh jeez, I can't believe I missed that one...

[Tamur]

Oh. I was under the impression that he had missed an R at the start of his moniker, and is actually a professor dealing with remote sensing.

(this is a joke, by the way, a really dry and awful one)

[Cecil XIX]

My favorite kind.

[Privateerkev]

Holy Cow Ansehelm just exploded!

If only he knew how little I had to do with how the Franconians voted...

[Stig]

If only he knew how little I had to do with how the Franconians voted...

Not entirely true, he spoke to one
Next to that it's also about the discussions from yesterday and the day before (with Lothar and the like), it takes some time for news to reach Russia (one day is quite fast even, half a year is more correct, but I couldn't be bothered to wait till Christmas).

[Privateerkev]

He spoke to them yes but they were already going to vote that way. In my opinion, this has much more to do with Ansehelm being an "absentee Duke" than any nefarious plot by the King. The King messaged a few people and asked how they were going to vote. Those people volunteered that they were going to vote for Matthias. The King said "have a good day" and moved on.

Like I said in the Diet, the one lone exception is Dieter. The King had no problem telling Dieter very very clearly how he expected him to vote. But Dieter is a Crusader by choice. He could have taken the "Wolfgang shuttle" back to the Reich last session but he stuck around even though he had no County and no battles. So, he made his choice.

Besides Dieter, Jan did not try to coerce anyone else. I am not even sure how he could coerce anyone else.

[Stig]

Don't discuss things OOC that can be discussed IC, or you might find I begin to dislike people OOC as well.
Stig and Ansehelm have very different ways of thinking, you and Jan seem to be the same.

[Privateerkev]

Whoa, calm down buddy. Lets not get all hostile in the OOC thread.

I said this OOC because I want it clear OOC that I am not the main responsibility for the Franconians all voting the way they did.

What is interesting is that Ansehelm seems mad at Jan for playing politics. Yes, Jan went to individual people. But, if Franconia had a strong Duke, Jan wouldn't even be able to do it. Jan could not have pulled this off with the Bavarians, Austrians, or Swabians because their leaders lay the law down in a major way. You had Ansehelm wander off into the woods and his people got bored and craved leadership. What did you expect to happen? I thought I would actually have to ask them to do it when they in fact happily volunteered. I am not sure how much Jan can be blamed for that.

If you want your people to follow Ansehelm, then take some lessons from Duke Arnold and lay the law down hard. Or take lessons from King Salier and offer them what they want. Or something in between. But don't just abandon them.

[Stig]

As I said, don't start discussing IC things that can be discussed IC. I said that I am not the same as Ansehelm, how hard is it to read?

[Privateerkev]

Its not hard to read. I am just trying to explain that I am not the big bogeyman you think I am and that is easier and more convincing to do OOC than IC.

Lets chill. A lot is going on behind the scenes in this game and Jan is not even involved in half of it. He can't be blamed for the whole situation.

[Privateerkev]

Dropping a bomb in the Diet in...3...2...1...


plop






I needed to give Ituralde a little payback for what he did to me.


hehehehe

[FactionHeir]

Its funny how Franconians (except Stig, who abstains) all vote OK even though he is voting down their legislation to take Vilnius

Interesting diet post btw PK. I don't think you'll be King after the next diet when Ituralde reads that

[OverKnight]

Well, not all the Franconians seemed to agree on the utility of taking Vilnius, or whether to hold it if taken. As Matthias said in the Diet, he'd rather take Krakow to shorten the borders and create a direct path from Budapest to Thorn.

Still if it passes it will have to be enforced.

Edit: I guess PK is seeking the full backing of the Kaiser, and is willing to gamble the job on it.

[FactionHeir]

I was thinking of taking Krakow too, but after talking to gibson, he insisted of Vilnius.
Now to make Hans think whether he will vote for the Franconian edict

[Privateerkev]

FH and OK,

Thanks!

Actually, while I am having a blast OOC, I am quite frustrated IC. The Kaiser drops a title on Jan and runs off. The Kaiser is already unpopular. Jan is already unpopular. The whole drop-the-title-on-the-new-guy-thing makes both unpopular, but the Kaiser is gone. Guess who gets the !@#$storm... Its Jan. Swimming uphill in a river of !@#$ would be a little easier if the Kaiser was around to have Jan's back but he is too busy passed out stoned on the lap of a hooker.

Also, TC and I talked a while ago on the last OOC thread about engineering an Outremer crisis. I just didn't think I could be in a position to do it so soon. Ituralde and I haven't spoken IC or OOC since the last Diet session so I had no clue that the Kaiser was going to "appoint-and-run". I assumed, like everyone else did, that it would go to Zirn. I guess he wanted to drop a bomb and stir things up. I wish he included me OOC though. It might have helped me prepare a little. I'm still learning the ins and outs of the game and I basically just got a crash course on a whole new level of complexity with upper politics that I did not know about.

So, left in what really is, an untenable situation, Jan is not happy. But, he is too loyal to the Kaiser to do anything really bad like revolt or something. So, it seems like as good a time as any to start dismantling Outremer. Or at least drastically rework it to the point where the Dukes aren't so resentful. Once the Dukes are back on board, it will be more fun to be out there.

[FactionHeir]

Actually, this will be the first time Outremer is not fully staffed too.

As for Jan, maybe Ituralde wanted to distract attention from himself (there! scapegoat!) just to come back at the next diet and name some popular choice, making himself more popular. Or if Jan does a good job, Ituralde can go on to say how he made the right choice. win-win?

[Privateerkev]

Well, instead I hope he comes back to a full blown discussion about how we should pull out of Outremer. (oh my god that sounds dirty...)

I figured he threw me for a loop so I might as well return the favor.

[AussieGiant]

Hi PK,

It is certainly one of a few number of options that would "shake up" the situation we all find ourselves in. And I mean ALL of us.

I like the post a lot. IC and OOC issues (Ituralde being away and unable to provide input, shows just how important the Kaiser really is in many respects) are certainly placing the spot light on the whole "Concept" that was thrashed out and actioned upon all those decades ago.

I really like the situation now, as it shows the "big picture" strategy as being executed well in the initial stages, but now that Outremer is maturing there are more long term issues surfacing.

Much like the real history of the region actually.

I'll pop in with with Arnold soon.

[OverKnight]

Well, Jan didn't have to accept the assignment. You could resign in protest.

[FactionHeir]

With CA 11.6 whoever, resignations must be accepted by the emperor ;)

[Privateerkev]

OK: True, he could resign. But, he does believe in the Outremer mission. He just realizes that he needs to get the Dukes truly on board or it simply is not going to work anymore. That, and I am having a blast OOC but I want to make it a little less impossible to get things done. Conceding to the Dukes and trying to rework Outremer will give me some breathing space and maybe help people lighten up towards Jan. King Salier was old enough and experienced enough to have a somewhat stable political situation. King Jan is the new kid on the block who was instantly promoted over way more qualified candidates, by a Kaiser that few respect, to a position that oversees what is a very big thorn in the Dukes' side. I simply can not keep up this pace IC without something giving.

So, I dropped the bomb and we'll see if it creates some change.

AG: thnx!

[OverKnight]

Well, you've got the appointment, your power has been preserved, so you have 20 years to figure it out. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Privateerkev]

OK

Yes I did get the appointment and the power but my ability to actually do anything will rapidly diminish each session. Lothar will nibble away at the charter one CA at a time. I rather drop a tac-nuc on the Charter. Also, there gets a point where massive IC fights get tiring in real life. I wanted to make my character happier and nicer and the Kaiser plops a crown of !@#$ on his head that guarantees that Jan will be hated, feared, and envied more than ever.

I did try to time it right. If you've noticed, most of the stuff is already voted on. I didn't want to do it too early because it might screw up the election results. I didn't want to do it too late because activity in the Diet dies down in between sessions. This way, I get the election results I want that give me the space to enact the changes I want.

[Stig]

(except Stig, who abstains)

Ansehelms favours Hans, but if he votes Hans, and Hans doesn't become Chancellor Matthias might not support him anymore, hence the Abstain ... obviously I'm not going to tell this IC.

[OverKnight]

Crushing those who vote against me isn't my style. It's occasionally tempting, but would create more problems than it solves.

[Privateerkev]

Whats funny is, by abstaining, your hurting who you favor and helping your opponent. You are taking away votes from the total vote pool in the game so your opponent needs less to win and you are not adding your votes to your candidate. When Ansehelm abstained, he made it easier for Matthias to win. Matthias first needed 42 votes to win but after Ansehelm took his 6 votes out of the vote pool, Matthias only needs 39. That certainly did not do Hans any favors.

You should only abstain if you truly do not care who wins. Otherwise, the one you favor is not being helped by you.

[Stig]

Spare me the maths, it just a game for god's sake

[Ignoramus]

Has anyone heard what the next TW game is? It now includes naval combat and is focussed on the 18th century. It should be interesting to see how it develops.

[econ21]

Thanks for the heads-up, Ignoramus. Discussion is starting up over in the Entrance Hall.

Stig - your latest OOC posts are becoming antagonistic. I don't want bad blood spilling over from the Diet to here. If you are annoyed, take a break or take it to a PM.

[Stig]

I don't want bad blood spilling over from the Diet to here.

I'm not the one taking IC discussion OOC am I?