Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
Giving and taking away Counties is no small thing. If anything, Jan's lack of a Franconian county was one of the things that made him flee to Outremer.
That is absolutly correct TC.

Ansehelm's reply to Jan was basically, "you already have a county in Outremer so there is no need to give you one here."

not a good move if your trying to get someone to be loyal to your house.

Was definately one of the nails in the coffin in Jan's loyalty to the house.