Out of character thread XIV

**FactionHeir** · 10-09-2007, 17:10

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**Tamur** · 10-09-2007, 17:11

We're a talkative bunch, us Franconians. Just not to each other

**Privateerkev** · 10-09-2007, 17:12

Originally Posted by Tamur

We're a talkative bunch, us Franconians. Just not to each other

Jan is downright gabby.

**FactionHeir** · 10-09-2007, 17:21

Swabia is worse. Usually just me talking

**Privateerkev** · 10-09-2007, 17:34

Swabia and Franconia are full of very independent minded folk. Just a theory but it could have had to do with the fact that Xdeathfire and DG were not very active in the game for awhile. SM, TC, and AG all stayed active in their house's politics. I think it is no coincidence that Bavaria and Austria seem relatively united, while Swabians and Franconians have pretty much gone their own way. So, that would effect how talkative the House threads are.

**Warmaster Horus** · 10-09-2007, 20:04

Indeed, I am sorry econ, but I was still unable to update. Add to that a major french assignement, and, well, you get the picture.

Tomorrow, a friend should allow me the use of his USB, so I should be able to update tomorrow. Eh, I've already downloaded the file, so it will be a quick process. If there aren't any problems, I should be fighting the battle tomorrow, early afternoon.

**econ21** · 10-09-2007, 21:07

Just to say, now that we are back in surplus, players need not feel obliged to sack/ransom. I suspect now the fall into deficit was not due to loss of trade with Byzantium but rather lots of our cities rioting (I guess rioting cities generate no income?). Last turn, I lowered the probability of forced VH taxes to 1/6 from 1/2 and moved the capital back from Acre to Innsbruck (Acre seemed a little harsh on Swabia), so things are more relaxed... for now.

**Privateerkev** · 10-09-2007, 21:22

Originally Posted by econ21

Just to say, now that we are back in surplus, players need not feel obliged to sack/ransom.

Edit: Now I don't have to worry about disobeying the GM anymore. Well, at least with this. ^_^

**Stig** · 10-09-2007, 23:16

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Swabia and Franconia are full of very independent minded folk. Just a theory but it could have had to do with the fact that Xdeathfire and DG were not very active in the game for awhile. SM, TC, and AG all stayed active in their house's politics. I think it is no coincidence that Bavaria and Austria seem relatively united, while Swabians and Franconians have pretty much gone their own way. So, that would effect how talkative the House threads are.

Nah, it because of the roleplaying of the characters.
Fritz, Ansehelm and Peter are more or less the same, but that also means their different. Being dreaded they care most about themselves. Dieter is in the Outremer and Tancred (and DG) has gone missing.

Sides I personally don't bother to post there anymore, can't Jan give up his position of King (there's no Kingdom anyway) to make it more active

**FactionHeir** · 10-10-2007, 00:22

Originally Posted by econ21

I suspect now the fall into deficit was not due to loss of trade with Byzantium but rather lots of our cities rioting (I guess rioting cities generate no income?).

Low taxes caused the main drop in revenue. The second major drop was due to capital movement - vast increases in corruption. Third was riots that destroyed buildings that generate income.

**Privateerkev** · 10-10-2007, 03:03

Originally Posted by Stig

Nah, it because of the roleplaying of the characters.
Fritz, Ansehelm and Peter are more or less the same, but that also means their different. Being dreaded they care most about themselves. Dieter is in the Outremer and Tancred (and DG) has gone missing.

Sides I personally don't bother to post there anymore, can't Jan give up his position of King (there's no Kingdom anyway) to make it more active

Yeah, but I theorize that it had at least partly to do with a semi-active duke (Gunther and Scherer). It's not just that the Franconians have dread. Austria and Bavaria have dread too but they have Duke's that have been really active for a long time. Ansehelm inherited a Duchy that always seemed a touch independent so he can't change it overnight. He is trying though and it seems to be working a little as evidenced by Dieter moving over to Saxony (he is presently walking up through Austria).

As for Jan being Franconian, he still is obviously. But, he sees his role as King as being an independent operative answerable to the Kaiser. That and the falling out between Jan and Ansehelm made that split easier. Peter's, Fritz's, and Tancred's recent actions have all made Jan feel even more split from his Duchy. Plus, the mere existence of Outremer provides Jan with an "out" where he can concentrate on that and leave the Ducal politics behind. So, the point of all of this is, he could post in thread but probably won't.

**gibsonsg91921** · 10-10-2007, 03:40

yeah, peter will do that

**Tamur** · 10-10-2007, 05:37

I am taking the save. I regret that the people of Stettin are about to feel the wrath. But Fritz looks on the bright side... at least we'll have a well-laid out graveyard!

**OverKnight** · 10-10-2007, 06:06

I guess inciting revolt is a two-edged sword.

Remember putting heads on stakes is more economical than using pikes.

**Tamur** · 10-10-2007, 06:24

Fought and won. Stettin sacked for about 9400 florins, save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316-1.zip

I didn't see any other saves besides 1316_try, so that's what I based from. Hopefully that was ok. I will post up stats asap tomorrow, but for now I've got to sleep a bit.

Remember putting heads on stakes is more economical than using pikes.

lol! luckily I had a lot of dead spearmen around at the end of the battle, which made it all very economical.

**Privateerkev** · 10-10-2007, 06:29

the people of stettin were just following Fritz's example...

At least he didn't exterminate em.

**Ignoramus** · 10-10-2007, 07:12

Sorry Warluster, but we'll have to do a table-top style battle. My older brother has a lot of assignments due in the next four days, and as only his computer can run MTW2 I won't be able to do a multiplayer.

I assume econ's running it?

**Warluster** · 10-10-2007, 07:44

I don't mind, I was slightly panicking at the idea of a mulitplayer battle anyway.

**econ21** · 10-10-2007, 08:04

Yes, I will oversee the table top battle.

I intend to take back the save tonight. Not many people have taken the opportunity to fight their battles or send me new orders. But there will be another 24 hours tomorrow for the battles and I guess most people think their orders given in 1314 still apply (I did ask for their orders when most moves on the map had been made).

One possible device for giving orders is to specify the coordinates of where you want your character to be. To find the coordinates of a point, put your cursor there, open the console (pressing ' on my keyboard) and type show_cursorstat. This might be useful in a very tactical situation or where there are no obvious landmarks. No guarantees I will place you there, but it will at least clarify your intentions.

**Stig** · 10-10-2007, 09:38

Going to fight my battle this afternoon

**Northnovas** · 10-10-2007, 11:38

Originally Posted by econ21

I intend to take back the save tonight. Not many people have taken the opportunity to fight their battles or send me new orders. But there will be another 24 hours tomorrow for the battles and I guess most people think their orders given in 1314 still apply (I did ask for their orders when most moves on the map had been made).

The Austrians, Cecil is waiting for the AI turn for a defensive battle at Bucharest.

**TinCow** · 10-10-2007, 12:22

If Warmaster Horus cannot fight, Bavaria would be most grateful if the siege of Thessalonica were simply abandoned and his army began its march back home. It would seem... strange for this siege to continue otherwise.

**Warmaster Horus** · 10-10-2007, 12:34

I'm working on it. I'll take the save in about 45 minutes.

Sorry for taking so long...

EDIT: okay, forget it. Issues... There will be no thessalonica battle. The siege will be abandonned, and Friedrich should be going back to Bavaria.

**Stig** · 10-10-2007, 15:44

Taking the save

**Stig** · 10-10-2007, 16:23

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316-2.rar

Fought and won

**AussieGiant** · 10-10-2007, 16:37

So do we know the details of how the treasury was taken?

I'm always unsure about how much we can take from the stories.

Can anyone give me a hint?

**Privateerkev** · 10-10-2007, 16:40

when in doubt, say you heard a rumor. ^_^

**Stig** · 10-10-2007, 16:48

I never use things from Stories IC ... as Ansehelm cannot hear a story in Adana

btw Econ, going to send you orders in a bit

**Privateerkev** · 10-10-2007, 16:54

Well, you try to use your best judgment. A story about two people having a conversation is probably secret and you shouldn't use it. A story about an event that you were not at, is different. People talk. People hear things. You can claim that you heard something as a rumor. Doesn't have to even be true. It's a rumor. Though the use of rumors could effect how your perceived by others. Just like real life.

As for the money heist, it is the diet speaker himself that started the rumor. you can definitely use that. There are rumors that the Kaiser and Empress took the money. And there is a rumor that the Empress is missing. Details about the heist is probably still OOC knowledge unless someone "investigates".

*edit*

ok, the empress missing is not a rumor. The Diet Speaker was pretty clear about that. But her participation in the heist is a rumor unless/until someone investigates or econ reveals more.

**Tamur** · 10-10-2007, 17:01

Fritz uses the golden rules of unchivalrous behaviour:

any rumour defaming your enemies is true
any rumour exposing your own guilt is false
anyone who does not play by these rules is an enemy

Makes life very simple, really. Also sounds like a supervisor I had a couple of years back.

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