Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Ca Putt]

seems the AtB team has been stucken by devastating plagues, D:

[Hax]

We shall not bow, though. Overall, things are really going pretty good. Slow, but good.

[Tanit]

Originally Posted by Tanit View Post
Looking at this makes me wish someone would make a far east version of EB. If you went from roughly Baktria to the Pacific ocean the map is smaller than the regular EB map. As such the Pacific ocean could be shrunk and central america as well as the northern part of South america could be represented finally allowing a full scope of the world in 272 BC. You could even play both campaigns as Baktria and conquer the whole world!

I even thought about potential factions.

Nomads:
Saka Rauka
Yuezhi
Wusun
Xiongu

Indian Factions:
Maurya
Pandya
Satavahana

Greek:
Baktria

Chinese:
Kingdom of Khotan: May not have actually existed at this time, mythically founded in third century BC by a son of Asoka but not properly attested until much later.
-Qi
-Chu
-Yan
-Han
-Zhao
-Wei
-Qin
-Lu
-Yue

Japan:
Yamato: Not as well developed a power this early but it did exist.

Indonesia:
Dvipantara: Unclear if it existed this early.

Korea:
Gojoseon

Americas:
Zapotec
Preclassic Maya
Chavin (West coast of South America)

I'm not sure that you have enougth faction slots for all this. Maybe you should just drop the american ones and reduce the map to just asia.
and the chinese lu and yue had already benn wiped out by 272ad

Actually, in doing research on the Wusun and Xiongnu I have revised that idea quite a lot. Could make for a good AtB2 in the distant future.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Refined Factions: 272 BC: 30 Factions

Nomadic Culture:
Mazakata (A faction at the end of its power, dying out, but not forgotten)
Pahlava (Non-Playable)
Saka Rauka (Same as EB)
Wusun (Same as AtB)
Yuezhi (Same as AtB)
Xiongnu (Central Mongolian nomadic power, soon to rise to dominance when it crushes the Yuezhi and Dionghu and allies with the Wusun)
Donghu (Alliance of tribes including the Wuhuan and the Xianbei who would eventually return to destroy the Xiongnu empire)

Hellenistic Factions:
Arche Seleukeia (Non-Playable)
Baktria (Same as EB, take the Greeks all the way east, fullfill Alexander's dream)

Indian Factions:
Maurya (Same as AtB)
Satavahana (Same as AtB)
Pandya (Same as AtB)
Dvipantara (Indonesian Hindu faction)
Another Indian Faction (Not for AtB or EB, just my own personal musings)

Yue-Culture Factions:
Van Lang (Ancient Vietnamese kingdom)
Au Viet (New, mountainous Vietnamese kingdom destined to replace Van Lang)
Dian (Kingdom in what is now south China)
Yelang (Kingdom in what is now South China)
Minyue (Southern kingdom claiming ancestry from the Yue state of China)

Sinitic Factions:
Qi
Chu
Yan
Han
Zhao
Wei
Qin (Future unifier of China)
Lu (Not annexed until 256 BC)

North Asian Factions:
Gojoseon (Large north Korean kingdom)
Jin (Small south Korean kingdom)
Yayoi (Japanese culture group of the period)

[gamegeek2]

If anything, I'd do it for AtB, on the RTW engine. Pre-Islamic, since EOR fills the Islamic role.

To those who are frustrated - most of our factions are well-fleshed out and defined culture-wise, but we're lacking in two things - coders and modelers/skinners who have the time to put into this. I'd estimate we have 50 units left to model.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

This mod looks great!
I have a question though. Why did you change the start date to 280 BC ? Not that I have a problem with that, just wondering.

[gamegeek2]

It's actually 260 BC.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

It's actually 260 BC.

Oh I must have been reading an old start date thingy.

[LDC]

Can you tale us what the unit roster for the Yuezhi and Wusun? Will the Yuezhi have accses to greek units like the saka?

[gamegeek2]

Nah...won't be spoiling that QUITE yet...

Of course, they will see SOME indo-greek action...can't say how much though.

[Tanit]

Tonight I come home! And tomorrow I will spend in the local university library! Muwahahahaha!

[Karo]

How are things going guys? Any news or a little preview maybe

[anubis88]

Guys, your freaking me out a bit. You haven't posted anything for almost a month. What's going on? A big preview on the way perhaps?

[davepyne]

This mod looks great! When is it going to be ready do you think?

[Hax]

Well, there hasn't been that much activity lately. Both gamegeek and I are busy with school, but hopefully, we'll get to work once again soon.

[davepyne]

Cool. I'm looking forward to playing a game as Atropatene. If they won't make it a faction in EB2, then I will enjoy playing it in ATB!

[Tanit]

Yeah, was busy with school, just finished worst period, but I have a little left, free by the end of April.

[plutoboyz]

Hmm... if I remember correctly, Dwipantara is not a kingdom. its just other name for Java same with Jawadwipa. earliest kingdom found was Salakanagara and it was on 200 AD. I personally doubt Ramayana as historical document.

[Ibrahim]

Well, there hasn't been that much activity lately. Both gamegeek and I are busy with school, but hopefully, we'll get to work once again soon.

welll, I did finish and post a crapload of models for Saba and Nabataea.

[gamegeek2]

Announcement: There will be a good deal of changes to the unit statting system (though the fundamentals will remain the same).

-Cavalry spear statting will be changed
-Kopeis and short swords will be more effective
-Helmets will be less effective
-Body armour will be more effective
-Shields will be more effective
-Overhand spears for both infantry and cavalry will have significantly different stats. Cavalry OH spears should be more effective.

[Cute Wolf]

Hmm... if I remember correctly, Dwipantara is not a kingdom. its just other name for Java same with Jawadwipa. earliest kingdom found was Salakanagara and it was on 200 AD. I personally doubt Ramayana as historical document.

taken from "Wacana Nusantara" karangan Prof Dr. Walyuo Sastro Wardono, mengenai Jawadwipa / Dvipatra

Dalam abad pertama tarikh Masehi, datanglah orang-orang Hindu Saka dari India, menundukkan kerajaan Jawadwipa dibawah tangan mereka. Bersama mereka, para pedagang, pendeta, dan pangeran agama Hindu dan Buddha tibalah. Pangeran Aji Saka, yang mulia perkasa, membawa aksara Sansekerta dan Pallawa yang di Jawadwipa lalu menjadi abjad-abjad:
Ha Na Ca Ra Ka
Da Ta Sa Sa La
Pa Da Ja Ya Nya
Ma Ga Ba Tha Nga
Kala itulah sejarah agung dimulai pada permulaan tarikh Saka.

Jawadwipa itself, is hypotetized (not yet gain another evidence except some writings from the upcoming Indo-Saka rulers on Indonesia period...) as the very first native kingdoms that lies on the islands of jawa and sumatera, the exact history of them, when they are founded. is still a mystery, but one things is certain, the exiled Indo-Saka Ruler, Ratu Aji Saka, was the one who subdue them (most say via duel with the previous ruler), and establish his line of Jawa-Saka Rulers, Sriwijayan Rulers, and Bugis Rulerss... it was called Dwipatra in later writings, evidenced in Babad Tanah Jawi

[plutoboyz]

taken from "Wacana Nusantara" karangan Prof Dr. Walyuo Sastro Wardono, mengenai Jawadwipa / Dvipatra



Jawadwipa itself, is hypotetized (not yet gain another evidence except some writings from the upcoming Indo-Saka rulers on Indonesia period...) as the very first native kingdoms that lies on the islands of jawa and sumatera, the exact history of them, when they are founded. is still a mystery, but one things is certain, the exiled Indo-Saka Ruler, Ratu Aji Saka, was the one who subdue them (most say via duel with the previous ruler), and establish his line of Jawa-Saka Rulers, Sriwijayan Rulers, and Bugis Rulerss... it was called Dwipatra in later writings, evidenced in Babad Tanah Jawi

how about archaeology finding?

[Cute Wolf]

how about archaeology finding?

only a little evidence about a large ancient kingdom from 4 century BC... and they probably didn't call themself jawadwipa / dwipatra, because the javanese language we know (and almost all Indonesian languages), are taken from indian language....

[LDC]

Any progress guys? I'm certain you could be more active.

[Skullheadhq]

@LDC

A bird told me that a preview is coming.

[Sahran]

Greets guys,

I was wondering if I might get your permission to draw on inspirations and influences from some of your work (in unit appearances and unit names) for the Litus Mod for M&B Warband. Over on Taleworlds I go by the name Ahiga, over here it's Sahran, and over back at TWC it's Ahiga (keravnos might remember me from his time greatly helping us at Broken Crescent). While it's a far off aspiration and one Litus might not entirely complete, there is a hope that we'll introduce an Indo-Persian faction in the far future. I'm sure as researchers of India ya'll know just how darn hard it is to find conceptual art of Indian Warriors!

It wouldn't entail using any of your textures or physical work, just perhaps drawing on the inspiration and research you guys did in nomenclature of units, or pointing to one of your units to our skinners and saying "hai, wouldn't an armor like that snazzy Kshatriya look spiffy? Let's do our own armor and use that one as an inspiration!"

[gamegeek2]

I belive I've contacted or tried to contact you before, Ahiga, as I've gotten permission to borrow music from BC for AtB. In fact, I actually work for BC 3.0.

I'd say go for it, don't plagiarize or anything though.

[vartan]

I belive I've contacted or tried to contact you before, Ahiga, as I've gotten permission to borrow music from BC for AtB. In fact, I actually work for BC 3.0.

I'd say go for it, don't plagiarize or anything though.

Copy from one, it's plagiarism; copy from two, it's research. ~Wilson Mizner

[Sahran]

I belive I've contacted or tried to contact you before, Ahiga, as I've gotten permission to borrow music from BC for AtB. In fact, I actually work for BC 3.0.

I'd say go for it, don't plagiarize or anything though.

My apologies for not responding if I hadn't! But you can go ahead and borrow music from BC for ATB. :)

And thanks!

[anubis88]

@LDC

A bird told me that a preview is coming.

Damn those lying birds! :D

[LDC]

Can you tell me what's the unit roster for the Yuezhi?