Out of character thread XVI

[Ferret]

Dieter has had 'speaks of loyalty' since I took him and it hasn't advanced at all but he has gained feels respected or something along that track so he now has quite high loyalty, I don't think it's worth worrying about.

[Zim]

Thanks, EF. I don't bother much with loyalty in SP(except not to use generals under 3 loyalty) so I didn't know what kind of triggers it had. I know some traits tend to get worse and worse, even if you don't do anything, so I was worried. The trait even fits well from a roleplaying perspective, since he did abandon his original side of the war.

As of now he has a respectable 4 loyalty, so he isn't at immediate risk.

[FactionHeir]

Disloyal/Loyal traits do not change over time and are gained (or not gained) on character creation.
The only time they can change, is when you character accepts/refuses a bribe.

The Content/DiscontentGeneral line of traits changes fairly frequently depending on a variety of factors.

See the former as your character's general outlook on loyalty and the latter as how he feels about his station currently.

[TinCow]

I wouldn't stress to much about your characters' traits. You eventually pile on so many of them that it's impossible to include them all in your portrayal. I tend to pick out a few that are unusual or seem to stand out, then I build on those. New traits and ancillaries that conflict with that personality either get ignored or used to create the basis of an event that changes my character on a fundamental level. Do not be afraid to just forget about the loyalty trait if it is just an annoyance to you. This is your character, after all, and he is whoever you say he is. The traits should be considered suggestions for behavior, not rules.

[FactionHeir]

What he said.

[Zim]

Thanks, guys. My biggest fear was that "speaks of loyalty" would eventually change into some -6 loyalty trait that meant any turn spent out of a settlement would be my last (character turning rebel). Knowing it won't makes me feel much better.

I haven't even thought out my character's personality completely.
He has so few traits, even for a young, new general, it will be interesting to see what kind he accumulates as the game goes on. I'll probably take in account the ones that seem most interesting as I develop his personality

[AussieGiant]

Hi Zim,

At the start you can really use the traits to develop your character...it's only when they start piling up that you need to take a "broad brush" approach to it.

Some of them can be quite contradictory as time goes on.

[Zim]

I know AG, but at the start my character has all of three traits, Speaks of Loyalty, Religious, and the one that gives two stars. A pious traitor with a head for battle?

I think I'll have to pick up at least a few more to use to develop my character's personality. It'll be fun, even more than most new generals, my guy is a blank slate.

[gibsonsg91921]

haha peter is great attacker, great commander, promising commander, likes the dark, confident defender, and is poor against numbers (which reduces defense). go figure

[AussieGiant]

I know AG, but at the start my character has all of three traits, Speaks of Loyalty, Religious, and the one that gives two stars. A pious traitor with a head for battle?

I think I'll have to pick up at least a few more to use to develop my character's personality. It'll be fun, even more than most new generals, my guy is a blank slate.

lol,

good idea to wait given the circumstances.

[AussieGiant]

Hi All,

It's the battle of the dudes without out the game chaps.

Roadkill doesn't have the game installed and as his Duke I'm trying to put together a recruiting order for him.

I'm overseas and therefore can't check what he has.

Can someone post the number of units Lorenz Zirn has currently so I can place an order?

Cheers
AG

[Northnovas]

I will send you something now!

[AussieGiant]

Thanks NN

[Zim]

Gentlemen, I would like to inform you of several odd supposed coincidences I have noticed about the events in Swabia of 1330-1332. I believe they point to an inarguable conclusion.

First, Jan von Hamburg, king of Outremer, supposedly falls in battle at Bern, in central Swabia. Then, within 2 years, another man by the name of Jan, this time claiming to be "von der Pfalz" appears in Antwerp, arriving from, you guessed it, central Swabia. This man claims to be 22, but is completely bald.

The obvious conclusion? These Jans are one and the same! King Jan did not die at Bern, but suffered a blow on the head, lost his memory, joined a monastery in central Swabia for two years where he was forced to shave his head as part of his vows, then joined the services of Wolfgang Hummel.

I believe my logic to be beyond arguing with.

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[TinCow]

Stranger things have happened, such as Siegfried von Kastilien becoming Kaiser after Kaiser Jobst von Salza was killed by a stray catapult shot in a battle where Siegfried was a participant...

[OverKnight]

I respected Ituralde as a player, so I didn't assume it was fratricide, but I've always wondered, it was very convenient.

Turns out that flaming catapult shot changed the history of the Reich in many ways, ushering in the reign of Siegfried the Mad.

[AussieGiant]

There has been a couple of great twists in the game.

As much as we have previously been annoyed at the games allocation of succession it has made things very entertaining as we adjust the script to fit.

I like it in the end.

Is there even a remote chance of Arnold being able to marry one of these budding princesses?

And don't get all horrified...apart from the grey hair he still looks 30 :-)

He's a mature man now and the whoring has made way for more stable girlfriends...at least that is what I have in my mind.

[Privateerkev]

Is there even a remote chance of Arnold being able to marry one of these budding princesses?

Um...

Arnold and Elberhard are first cousins!!!!!!!

Ewwww.....

*blech*

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As for traits, I tried my best to rp every single one of Jan's traits. I did rank them based on strength so some came through more than others. While he did have over 13 chivalry, I made sure his "cruel and cunning" came out in politics. And so forth...


And Zim... no

:D

[AussieGiant]

I really couldn't care less lol

Cousin's, brothers, sisters...anything will do.

But aren't there other princesses out there PK?

Read the stories thread...make a decision

[Privateerkev]

I really couldn't care less lol

*Barf*

Cousin's, brothers, sisters...anything will do.

*Baaaarf*

But aren't there other princesses out there PK?

Not that I know of.... *Baaaaarf*

Read the stories thread...make a decision

*reads the story thread and sees nothing that stops him from barfing some more*

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barfing could be from talk of Arnold marrying his cousin's daughter or from Kevin being quite drunk. You decide...

[Zim]

PK, obviously you are just trying to cover up since I'm so close to the truth.

Of course, if he isn't von Hamburg, my Jan would be one of the only characters not in the Kaiser's family tree somewhere, and a perfect match for one of his daughters.

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[AussieGiant]

I think he is barfing from drinking a little too much.

Still, pretty funny with the barf commentary

[Zim]

On a serious note, I think it's been fascinating reading up on how people have coped (and are coping) with the lack of available resources during the Cataclysm.

You have people taking armies out to attack and sack enemy territory (a la Fritz, and Hummel, although he actually kept the city), people finding ways to sack/confiscate resources in their own cities (Fritz again, plus some two or three others in the past, I believe), or making appeals to the people of their Duchy/Counties for soldiers (Peter, me, deguerra).

It's kind of cool to see all these things done, and says a lot about how people see their characters.

[deguerra]

well if i had more cities to sack i might go for that option, but the only nearby one is yours

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[Zim]

well if i had more cities to sack i might go for that option, but the only nearby one is yours

Over my dead body!

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Quite literally, I guess, if you tried it

[deguerra]

well considering that currently youre the one with the army and the walls, whereas im all by my onesies, i have my doubts as to my siege capabilities. getting those bodyguards to dismount and push a battering ram is such a chore

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[Zim]

Just a friendly warning if you do try to storm my town. My men do spit over the wall from time to time.

I kind of lucked out in the French being more aggressive than the Danes, or Antwerp might be under siege. You'd have 2 wealth per turn and three shiny militia garrison units if Bruges hadn't been sieged in the very turn your guy was made.

[Privateerkev]

On a serious note, I think it's been fascinating reading up on how people have coped (and are coping) with the lack of available resources during the Cataclysm.

You have people taking armies out to attack and sack enemy territory (a la Fritz, and Hummel, although he actually kept the city), people finding ways to sack/confiscate resources in their own cities (Fritz again, plus some two or three others in the past, I believe), or making appeals to the people of their Duchy/Counties for soldiers (Peter, me, deguerra).

It's kind of cool to see all these things done, and says a lot about how people see their characters.

Don't forget having your avatar accidentally sparking a full blown religious war just so you can get him an instant full stack army to implement a political agenda. ;)

PK, obviously you are just trying to cover up since I'm so close to the truth.

I deny everything. :P

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I think he is barfing from drinking a little too much.

I deny everything.

And any drunken PM's I may, or may not have sent you, do not prove anything.

[TinCow]

Don't forget having your avatar accidentally sparking a full blown religious war just so you can get him an instant full stack army to implement a political agenda. ;)

Accidentally? I told you that would happen beforehand.

[Privateerkev]

Accidentally? I told you that would happen beforehand.

Yes, but for Jan it was an accident. For me, I wanted my avatar to have an army. That and I wanted to spark something fun and interesting for the game.

For Jan though, everything that resulted was quite a surprise. If he lived through Bern, he'd feel pretty bad about everything right now.