Out of character thread XVI

[Privateerkev]

I'm working on a revision of the Outremer charter for the next Diet Session. The Kingdom is now just two provinces (maybe ) and so it needs to be updated.

I've reviewed the charter but I have a few questions.

1. Jan was granted the county of Hamburg while he was still King? Did he get the +1 influence for this, and is this actually allowable? I thought King had to temporarily renounce house ties.

2. The duration of the King's term is now one Diet session to another, correct?

3. Crusader Counts can't stack influence anymore from Crusader and regular Counties, correct?

4. Matthias is listed as having 6 influence. 2 is for being King, 1 is for being an ex-Chancellor and 2 is for his stats. Is the sixth for his Bavarian County?

5. Who gives build queues for Outremer Provinces, besides Antioch, not assigned to Counts, the King, the Kaiser, or the respective Dukes? (Acre, the only Ducal Zone left, would be given queues from Warluster?)

Some of this is going to change in my revision, I just want to get a sense of the past before moving on to the future.

1.) Econ told me Jan got the Hamburg bonus. "Renouncing Ducal ties" was just politics. It isn't actually in the Charter. (per Econ)

2.) yup

3.) yup, just the King

4.) Sounds right as long as it doesn't hit the non-Kaiser cap. Is it 5 or 6?

5.) King does Antioch. Crusader Counts do their Crusader Counties. If there is not a Crusader Count, then the Dukes do their own Counties and Kaiser does Edessa.

[Zim]

I tried out the files. Spain has odd unit sizes and Flemish Pikemen. A possible side effect is that some units (peasant archers, militia crossbowmen) had odd unit sizes for both factions. Since he just recruited them, shouldn't Humme's peasant archers be full size?

Anyway, the files worked fine for me, but I've already unpacked.

[econ21]

I tried out the files. Spain has odd unit sizes and Flemish Pikemen. A possible side effect is that some units (peasant archers, militia crossbowmen) had odd unit sizes for both factions. Since he just recruited them, shouldn't Humme's peasant archers be full size?

Anyway, the files worked fine for me, but I've already unpacked.

Thanks for the quick response. I thought it should be straightforward.

The odd unit sizes for both sides is intentional. Hummel's new archer unit will be represented by two 45 man units so that the loyalists can also have a half strength one. (The loyalists actually have a little more than 45 archers, but I've represented that by increasing their peasant crossbows correspondingly.)

[Zim]

Ah, that makes sense.

There's still the very real difference that Ignoramus has not unpacked his files, so my test may not be perfect. Still, at least it proves that the files are working.

[OverKnight]

1.) Econ told me Jan got the Hamburg bonus. "Renouncing Ducal ties" was just politics. It isn't actually in the Charter. (per Econ)

Ah...In the charter it says: "The King will temporarily renounce all loyalties to his House for the duration of his term". I would intepret this as he wouldn't be able to administer a County for a Duke, but Econ is the Kaiser. I might have to clarify this in the new document. Matt having six influence, more than all the Dukes, is kind of crazy.

5.) King does Antioch. Crusader Counts do their Crusader Counties. If there is not a Crusader Count, then the Dukes do their own Counties and Kaiser does Edessa.

With the loss of territories this whole apportionment system is shot to hell. It might have to be scrapped. I'll have to find a new way to keep the Dukes happy and entice nobles to come to Outremer despite being unable to stack influence.

[AussieGiant]

Didn't we specifically address the ability of the King to have more influence than Dukes at some point?

Or was that just versus crusader counts?

[OverKnight]

Didn't we specifically address the ability of the King to have more influence than Dukes at some point?

Or was that just versus crusader counts?

Dukes get +3 influence, the King +2 and Counts +1. The only reason Matt is maxed out on inf (6) is because he gets the stats bonus (+2), the County of Milan (+1), ex-Chancellor (+1) and King (+2). Though officially in the Cataclysm thread, TC has removed Milan from Matt's entry once he became King.

[Privateerkev]

Wasn't that because Matt gave Milan up so it could go to Fred?

[Stuperman]

Wasn't that because Matt gave Milan up so it could go to Fred?

There was talk of that, but Fred got Genoa, at least until Ajaccio is liberated.

[OverKnight]

Here's what TinCow said in the 1332 Cataclysm post:

Controlled Provinces: Milan (trade route blocked, religious warfare, and besieged – you’re lucky I’m still even listing it! Next turn I will cease, as you will be King of Outremer and be forced to renounce your ties to Bavaria.)

Please note, I'm not complaining, just clarifying. I actually agree with this interpretation of the rules.

[AussieGiant]

Dukes get +3 influence, the King +2 and Counts +1. The only reason Matt is maxed out on inf (6) is because he gets the stats bonus (+2), the County of Milan (+1), ex-Chancellor (+1) and King (+2). Though officially in the Cataclysm thread, TC has removed Milan from Matt's entry once he became King.

Understood. A number of unique combinations in your avatar OK...nice work

[FactionHeir]

Econ: Mod works perfectly and also no errors displayed.
And my installation is not unpacked either

[econ21]

Just to let people know, Ignoramus has until Thursday night (UK) time to install the mini-mod and fight his sally. Otherwise, it will be a PvP siege assault.

TinCow and I are keen to bring the cataclysm to a conclusion, so if the situation at Staufen is not resolved by Friday morning, we will move on to a new turn. We will resolve any remaining Staufen 1336 issues (e.g. a PvP battle) while other players make their 1338 moves.

[Privateerkev]

Ah...In the charter it says: "The King will temporarily renounce all loyalties to his House for the duration of his term". I would intepret this as he wouldn't be able to administer a County for a Duke, but Econ is the Kaiser. I might have to clarify this in the new document. Matt having six influence, more than all the Dukes, is kind of crazy.

In an old PM, Econ said he conceptualized that part as meaning that the King will rule impartially. He never meant it to mean that the King actually leaves the House. Jan simply ruled that way due to his personal politics. So Jan never really "left" Franconia. He just acted that way.

I'll have to find a new way to keep the Dukes happy

Good luck with that...