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    Religious freedom in military questioned
    By JOHN MILBURN, Associated Press Writer
    Tue Dec 18, 8:36 PM ET

    A foundation that has sued the military alleging widespread violations of religious freedom said Tuesday that it has evidence showing that soldiers are pressured to adopt fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

    The photos and videos of religious materials and activities are part of a lawsuit filed by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and Army Spc. Jeremy Hall, an atheist, against Maj. Freddy J. Welborn and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    The material was gathered from Fort Riley in Kansas, the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., and Fort Jackson, S.C.

    Examples at Fort Riley, where Hall is stationed, included a display outside his military police battalion's office with a quote from conservative writer Ann Coulter saying, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

    Another photo from Fort Riley shows the book "A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" for sale at the post exchange.

    "These astonishing and saddening evidence which our foundation is making public today only further buttress our lawsuit," said Mike Weinstein, an attorney in Albuquerque, N.M., and president of the foundation, who graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1977.

    Fort Riley spokesman Maj. Nathan Bond said the matter was being referred to post commanders for investigation. He said it is the Army's policy to accommodate all religious beliefs to the extent that they don't conflict with military missions.

    "We do take this seriously," he said. If they are true, he added, they "do not seem in line with the Army values of respect."

    The lawsuit filed in federal court in Kansas City, Kan., in September alleges that Welborn threatened to file military charges against Hall and to block his re-enlistment for trying to hold a meeting of atheists and non-Christians in Iraq.

    Hall is with the 97th Military Police Battalion out of Fort Riley. He was serving his second tour in Iraq and has since returned to the U.S.

    Weinstein said materials for a Bible studies course from Military Ministry, part of Campus Crusade for Christ International, teach soldiers that the U.S. military and government are instruments to spread the word of God. The material was found at Fort Jackson, S.C., he said.

    A spokeswoman for Campus Crusade for Christ said ministry officials hadn't had a chance to review the evidence and declined to comment.

    The lawsuit also alleges that Gates permits a military culture in which officers are encouraged to pressure soldiers to adopt and espouse fundamentalist Christian beliefs, and allows a culture that sanctions activities by Christian organizations.

    It also says the military permits proselytizing by soldiers, tolerates anti-Semitism and the placing of religious symbols on military equipment, and allows the use of military e-mail accounts to send religious rhetoric.

    The Pentagon has said that the military values and respects religious freedoms but that accommodating religious practices should not interfere with unit cohesion, readiness, standards or discipline.

    Weinstein has previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on its students at the academy. A federal judge threw out that lawsuit in 2006.



    Several things struck me when reading this:

    Examples at Fort Riley [...] included a display outside his military police battalion's office with a quote from conservative writer Ann Coulter saying, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

    Another photo from Fort Riley shows the book "A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" for sale at the post exchange.
    The lawsuit [...] alleges that Welborn threatened to file military charges against Hall and to block his re-enlistment for trying to hold a meeting of atheists and non-Christians in Iraq.
    [...] materials for a Bible studies course from Military Ministry, part of Campus Crusade for Christ International, teach soldiers that the U.S. military and government are instruments to spread the word of God.
    [...] Gates permits a military culture in which officers are encouraged to pressure soldiers to adopt and espouse fundamentalist Christian beliefs, and allows a culture that sanctions activities by Christian organizations.

    [...] military permits proselytizing by soldiers, tolerates anti-Semitism and the placing of religious symbols on military equipment, and allows the use of military e-mail accounts to send religious rhetoric.
    Might be a bit early to say too much about this, but it certainly seems disturbing, when many young (and some possibly unstable) people are recruited into the military are exposed and subtly forced to take a fundamentalist view at things and then sent off to combat the muslims in the middle east.
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    The administration has been hiring less than competent staff with their only qualification being degrees from evangelical colleges, so this does not really surprise me. It is bound to trickle down.

    The thing to watch for is the backlash. I'd say in 10 years, Christianity in this country is going to lose a lot of clout. We may even see something like the 60's/70's again. Hopefully, without the fashion.
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    If some muslim countries keep behaving like they are doing now, crusade might be called. I'm not talking about religious fanatics but big number of rich, angry countries, whom won't be afraid of sending all their armies to crush muslims.
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    Default Re: Praparing for the next crusade

    I wonder who the next Renaud De Chatillion will be?

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    If some muslim countries keep behaving like they are doing now, crusade might be called. I'm not talking about religious fanatics but big number of rich, angry countries, whom won't be afraid of sending all their armies to crush muslims.
    Meanwhile on planet earth it has been it has been revealed that it is december this month .

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    srry if it's not perfect, i did it on paint cuz i don't have photoshop on this comp but wateva.
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    Don't you idjits know that troops trained in a city which also has a high-level temple gain a morale bonus? Sheesh. Next you'll be yelling at Bush not to build a blacksmith ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi
    I wonder who the next Renaud De Chatillion will be?
    That will be ME.


    Except for what happens to him at the end of his life and all his military blunders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    That will be ME.


    Except for what happens to him at the end of his life and all his military blunders.
    Yes, you're my hero.


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