So who's gonna replace the Yuezhi?

[PseRamesses]

I wasn't even very concerned about camels. I just want to play an army in the middle east, that is light, highly mobile force, good for making quick attacks and then retreating... I guess the Pahlava are pretty good at that...but I want to harass the Seleucids and Ptolemids from the Arabian Peninsula.

Sign me up for that campaign Wakizashi!

[Ludens]

why do they need to be replaced? i think its fun to have a faction in the middle of nowhere...

There was a lot of discussion in this topic: basically, the argument runs that the Yeuzhi most likely were not on the EB campaign map (although this is debatable) and even if they were, they were far more concerned with their enemies in the east than with expanding to the west. They did eventually turn west, and conquered Bactria, but only after having been defeated in the east. To properly represent their situation, the map has to be expanded to include China and their other Eastern enemies.

Sparta would be nice

Sparta on it's own doesn't stand a chance. It is not the power it used, not by a long shot. The only way the Macedonians are going to find a strong challenge in conquering Greece is to place an Hellenic union on their path.

Personally, I think another German faction might be nice, or else another African or Arabian faction. As it is, these areas are conquered a bit too rapidly.

[the_handsome_viking]

What is the criteria for faction picking?

I mean I personally would like to have some way to make more Caledonian armies appear, so that it could really hit home just exactly why the Romans built Hadrians wall.

but by making them their own faction youd ultimatly be saying "this group of people could take over the world" and of course as we all know the people from that area of the world eventually do go on to take over the world after they mixed with the Irish "scotti" but thats besides the point.

The point is how much do we really know about the Caledonions? they were iron poor, didn't have much in the way of armor because of this, kind of like the Germanic tribes, but once again, despite this fact the Germanic tribes do go on to do really great things.

I guess from a gameplay point of view it would have to be a historical group of people that could produce heavy infantry or cavalry decent buildings and ultimatly be capable of taking over vast amounts of land or possibly even the entire known world.

[jerby]

what about the mauryans?(sp?)

[Ludens]

What is the criteria for faction picking?

Khelvan answered this question some time ago when defending the inclusion of the Casse (link):

We consider factions based on the following criteria, foremost among many others:

- Expansionist
- Affect across the world (not just around the mediterranean) in the timeframe
- Inability to be presented as rebels (through unique units and unrest)
- Amount of work already done
- People willing to do work for the faction

Of course, positioning is a factor; for instance, we would have loved to have had an Indian faction, but as most of the Indian lands are out of our scope, so too would an Indian faction be. No Mauryans in EB. The Yuezhi will probably have to go because of positioning.

This answers Jerby's question as well.

[the_handsome_viking]

Khelvan answered this question some time ago when defending the inclusion of the Casse (link):

This answers Jerby's question as well.

Thanks a lot.

[Scott]

the Aztecs.

It's not going to be the Aztecs for a very good reason(other then they lived on the other side of the world).They didn't exist in 270 bc.They started in the 13th centrury A.D. but not in 270 bc.But the mayans lived in 1000 bc
Could you put these faction in the mod:
The Indus valley civiltion
the aliens that built stone henge(please put them in they had a great impact on the history of the roman impire)
Samnium
Cantabri
Arverni
Sequani
Suebi
Belgae
Helvetii
Parisii

[Ludens]

Could you put these faction in the mod:
The Indus valley civiltion
the aliens that built stone henge(please put them in they had a great impact on the history of the roman impire)
Samnium
Cantabri
Arverni
Sequani
Suebi
Belgae
Helvetii
Parisii

Are you aware of the existance of the faction-limit? The game cannot accomodate more than 21 factions, despite the efforts of many modders.

[Scott]

Are you aware of the existance of the faction-limit? The game cannot accomodate more than 21 factions, despite the efforts of many modders.

So were just some possible suggestion.I wasn't suggesting for them all being put int he game.

[Ludens]

So were just some possible suggestion.I wasn't suggesting for them all being put int he game.

Ah, I see. Well, part of your list is already implemented (silly me didn't even review it properly ). Both Suebi (Sweboz) and Averni are in the mod; Cantabri are IIRC part of the Iberian coalition; and the Parisii fall under either Aedui or Averni alliance. The Samnites were subject to Rome in the mod's time frame, though they did manage one major uprising.

The three remaining tribes are in an area that is already very very crowded (and many people feel there already are a bit too many Celtic factions). Off course, if you can provide arguments why these should be represented as factions, I think the EB team would be very interested. After all, the Belgae were seriously considered as an alternative to the Casse.

[padishahmusab]

ooooh it would be cool if there would be an Indian civilization

Imagine.. thousands of not as strong soldiers and hundreded of horses, chariots and Elehpants... that would be quite the faction

You could just insert a small bit of the Mauryans, but still it would chnage the game nicely

[Ragabash]

As Scott mentioned, Samnium would be great faction to replace Yuezhi. What I know about them ( what really is not so much) they seem to have inresting troops, history and big role to Roman, and Greek world.

[QwertyMIDX]

For the 100th time, no Mauryans in EB, too much of their empire is off the map.

The Samnites are a conquered subject people of the romans by 272.

[LordElrond]

Hehe, good thing EB isn't controlled by whims of the masses.

[Ragabash]

Hehe, good thing EB isn't controlled by whims of the masses.

That is true, I myself am one of those

But remember not all of us are historian professors, like myself I enjoy history. Stuff I know about ancient times are based to my school education, many tv documents (what gives only basics of show's current subject), and few "light" history books. I would consider myself as amateur historian, with knowledge of most basics but if you ask anything that goes beyond surface such as how some armies fought, diplomacy or even some basics I am not too familiar, I quickly put my finger to my mouth and try to evade question

Well... I have always liked history, no matter what period. I only wish that many great books that inrest me will be translated to my language

Thanks for EB team correcting me and other people. As EB members have shown, misunderstoods in history, corrections etc. can be done politely without mocking person who was wrong. Thanks again for mod, and of course for educating me

[QwertyMIDX]

If you'd like to read more on the Samnite wars Livy records the narrative (although the accuracy of his narrative is always in question). You can access it online here: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...ayout=;loc=4.6

Books 8 through 10.

[Ranika]

Arverni
Sequani
Suebi
Belgae
Helvetii
Parisii

Arverni are already in, the Sequani are their subjects. Suebi are the Sweboz. The Belgae were seriously considered but not taken. The Helveti were subjects of Noricum who later migrated (they'd not actually be indepedent at the outset of EB, they'd be part of Noricum), so Noricum would be possible, but was incredibly tiny, though they would have some neat stuff. The Parisi were subjects of the Aedui in Gaul, and the British Parisi were tiny and severely overshadowed by the Brigantes.

[PseRamesses]

For the 100th time, no Mauryans in EB, too much of their empire is off the map.
The Samnites are a conquered subject people of the romans by 272.

Totally agree with that. IMO there´s three areas that neds balancing: Arabia, Africa and central/ eastern Europe. Earlier there has been some serious discussions to include the Sabaeans in Arabia. Personally I miss the Numidians but no comeback for them seems to be emminent and to my knowledge there was no uniform tribe in and around Bohemia or eastern Europe that deserves representation. This is why my vote goes to the Sabaeans.

[LordElrond]

I think EB already has a faction in mind themselves, they think its fun to watch us run around flailing in the dark as they plot their next move to make fans even more anxious/desperate for the newer versions of the game. Lord Khelvan controls it all.... blame him.
(Or thank him, as you see fit.)

[VandalCarthage]

Actually, our decision was very democratic. We even had a second vote with just the two finalists from the first. I was very proud to be an EBerican, exercising my right to vote.

In any case, you guys needn't rule out the possibility that one of the factions you've been talking about here isn't the one we decided Speculation is good! Makes it seem more exciting when you do find out

[Samurai Waki]

I third Sabaeans.

[paullus]

Bithynia + Galatia? I don't know if the link there was all that strong by 272, but that could be very cool. Or do you think you would also need to include Pergamon to be able to represent that situation well?

Kyrenaika? Help break up N. Africa, and would have the same slow-down effect toward the Ptolemies as including Sabaeans. Then again, were the Yuezhi barbarian culture in the ob? I suppose that wouldn't work too well for Kyrenaika.

[Steppe Merc]

Yuezhi were the same culture as Parthia and Sarmatians (Eastern).

[soibean]

I like the Sabean idea...
they'd be a nice buffer against expansion into the southeast, a real faction instead of individual rebel towns that you can pick off at your leisure. I think that area of the map empties out a bit anyway

[jerby]

If EB had a massive vote in their lil HQ It ought to have been exciting...so any people, with so many, many different interests....can we at least hear who didn't make it? or some occultus or something?

[Ragabash]

I hope to see some sort of Fantasy Faction, EB would put every fantasy unit from vanilla to same faction. Think about it really. Your army charges at Roman first line of Hastati with screaming women, flanking with flaming pigs and bringing last wave of war dogs to crush enemy lines.

[PseRamesses]

I hope to see some sort of Fantasy Faction, EB would put every fantasy unit from vanilla to same faction. Think about it really. Your army charges at Roman first line of Hastati with screaming women, flanking with flaming pigs and bringing last wave of war dogs to crush enemy lines.

You, you..... trickster!

[Rodion Romanovich]

or some occultus or something?

My infiltrators in the EB team have revealed that the new faction will be the secretum

[PseRamesses]

My infiltrators in the EB team have revealed that the new faction will be the secretum

...located in the obscure province of Terra Incognita!

[Ragabash]

...located in the obscure province of Terra Incognita!

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