Are you a virgin?

[LittleGrizzly]

Grizz just thought you were having sex on wednesday (without the whle wedding thing) so congrats!

[Kralizec]

Congrats Ajax!

As for the topic at hand,
She didn't oppose the annulment at all. What should the court have done instead?

[Fragony]

Court could have done nothing else, but that minister of Justice should step down or shut up from now on because she failed to live the law and quite explicitily put all the responsibility on the shoulder of this girl.

Sharia = +1

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Court could have done nothing else, but that minister of Justice should step down or shut up from now on because she failed to live the law and quite explicitily put all the responsibility on the shoulder of this girl.

The law did, in this case, keep the girl safe - if the annulment had been denied, would she have been the victim of an honour killing?

The thing is, though, that honour killing shouldn't happen in the first place, and should be dealt with ruthlessly, along with Muslim hate rapes.

[Devastatin Dave]

According to the article it was less about not being a virgin and more about her lying to him.
She admitted the lie and supported anullment. So where's the problem? Not like one of them was totally against it.

Agreed, obviously this harlot must be stoned in the honorable traditions of this man's heritage.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The law did, in this case, keep the girl safe - if the annulment had been denied, would she have been the victim of an honour killing?

The thing is, though, that honour killing shouldn't happen in the first place, and should be dealt with ruthlessly, along with Muslim hate rapes.

I'd rather be able to see a direct translation of the articles, as I don't trust GoV and the blogger who wrote that, seeing as they are both involved with racist & nationalist groups like the BNP and that Belgium party. Sadly, they gain some traction because it seems like the main parties aren't doing anything.

As for a solution that can prevent rape before it occurs; I present to you: Vermont.

CR

[Fragony]

The law did, in this case, keep the girl safe - if the annulment had been denied, would she have been the victim of an honour killing?

The thing is, though, that honour killing shouldn't happen in the first place, and should be dealt with ruthlessly, along with Muslim hate rapes.

Honour-murder is a family thing, it's the girls family that got ' humiliated' not the husbands. Stupid word by the way, murder is murder, cultural sensitivities are no special circumstances.

[Viking]

The thing is, though, that honour killing shouldn't happen in the first place, and should be dealt with ruthlessly, along with Muslim hate rapes.

Good to know that you are using reliable sources.

[Fragony]

“Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

This why I don't like progressives I simply don't want to live in an ultra-conservative society. Multicultists are odd, odd people.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I'd rather be able to see a direct translation of the articles, as I don't trust GoV and the blogger who wrote that, seeing as they are both involved with racist & nationalist groups like the BNP and that Belgium party. Sadly, they gain some traction because it seems like the main parties aren't doing anything.

As for a solution that can prevent rape before it occurs; I present to you: Vermont.

CR

CR I love to see my state offered as an example of relatively sane laws, but I don't think our laws would work everywhere. I think our concealed carry law is a fairly small part of why Vermont has low crime and murder rates though...The relatively low population densities (though the West certainly boasts lower densities), and relatively good education system may have something to do with it. I have to admit that other than knowing about the concealed-carry legislation I haven't done much research on this before now though.

[TinCow]

It's been a long time since I took family law, but I'm almost positive that most states in the US allow marriage annulments for similar reasons. Annulments are generally permitted if one spouse has deceived the other about a fundamentally important aspect of the relationship or some aspect of their past history. Again, it's been a long time, but various sexual issues were definitely included as valid reasons. I'm not positive, but I suspect that most US states would permit an annulment if one spouse had lied about their virginity, and having a virgin spouse was very important to the other spouse.

I don't see much that's unusual in this French law. I suspect most European nations have similar ones, albeit with broader and less specific language, as with the US.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

@ Crazed Rabbit and Viking: The article has quite a few linking articles and sources, if you'd care to scroll down/read the article and see the links.

Honour-murder is a family thing, it's the girls family that got ' humiliated' not the husbands.

Well, I'm willing to bet the husband was "humiliated" in his own mind too.

Stupid word by the way, murder is murder, cultural sensitivities are no special circumstances.

For lack of a better phrase, damn straight. The penalties for this type of offense should be much harsher than they are.

[Viking]

@ Crazed Rabbit and Viking: The article has quite a few linking articles and sources, if you'd care to scroll down/read the article and see the links.

There's only one link that is not internal or that does not link to some other extremist site; and that one does not mention anything about "hate rape".

[Fragony]

Don't know that newspaper but these numbers are pretty much in line with other country's. It is what it is and it's the same thing everywhere. If 14% of the population make up for 66% of the rapes there is obviously something going on in the comfortable bliss that is multiculti Norway.

[Viking]

Don't know that newspaper but these numbers are pretty much in line with other country's. It is what it is and it's the same thing everywhere. If 14% of the population make up for 66% of the rapes there is obviously something going on in the comfortable bliss that is multiculti Norway.

Bah, in multicultural Oslo. The rest of the country is fairly mono-cultural. Yeah me too is pondering over if not multiculturalism is a valid cause; or at least a cultural disrespect for women.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't believe in multi-culturalism at all, actually. Why would you come to a country and try and make it like the one you left? Why should I let you change my country from somewhere I want to live into somewhere I don't?

I don't have answers to these questions.

[LittleGrizzly]

I don't believe in multi-culturalism at all, actually. Why would you come to a country and try and make it like the one you left?\

I don't think multi-culturalism means immigrants making the place like the one they left, its about them bringing thier culture with them, i don't now how many immigrants we have from warm sandy countries but this place isn't getting any warmer.... or sandier. Somewhat similar to when we had some Italian immigrants after the war and they setup coffee shops and the like, i would say that benefitted our culture, then indians setting up resturants and takeaways across the country, curry is our national dish did you now! its actually a british invented curry that is top Chicken Tikka Massala, that multiculturism in action right there...

A mix of cultures has brought us some of the best food and music we have today, why stop mixing cultures now ??

[Fragony]

A mix of cultures has brought us some of the best food and music we have today, why stop mixing cultures now ??

Multi-ethnic fine, multicultural ideal no. Makes rich white people from 100% white neighbourhoods say odd things.

“Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

^- things like that. Bring something, welcome. Demand something, bye.

[LittleGrizzly]

Multi-ethnic fine, multicultural ideal no.

What is a persons culture if not food and music ? (2 important parts i would say)

What are you actually saying though ? we just flat out stop immigration ? from everywhere or just a select few chosen by fraggony ?

[Fragony]

Multi-ethnic fine, multicultural ideal no.

What is a persons culture if not food and music ? (2 important parts i would say)

What are you actually saying though ? we just flat out stop immigration ? from everywhere or just a select few chosen by fraggony ?

Full immigrationstop would be a start we can't feed the whole world. But what I am saying is that multiculturalists are like all other extremists that only respect their own silly ideals. Quote is perfect example the "a multiculture a multiculture my kingdom for a multiculture" mentality.

[HoreTore]

Multi-ethnic fine, multicultural ideal no. Makes rich white people from 100% white neighbourhoods say odd things.

“Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

^- things like that. Bring something, welcome. Demand something, bye.

Bah.

We have something like a couple of hundred thousand people in this country with a "non-western cultural background".

The number of rapists are like 30-40 people. To make any decisions for the large group based on the actions of a few dozen is utterly ridiculous.

If there were ten thousand of these rapists, then OK, you'd have a point. But while things are like they are now, you do not.

[Fragony]

Owww ok then what are we talking about really. So for that small amount of naughty's she expects all norwegian women to dress differently. Personally, I find that rather, well, rediculous.

[HoreTore]

Owww ok then what are we talking about really. So for that small amount of naughty's she expects all norwegian women to dress differently. Personally, I find that rather, well, rediculous.

Who cares what some random professor says anyway?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't believe in multi-culturalism at all, actually. Why would you come to a country and try and make it like the one you left?\

I don't think multi-culturalism means immigrants making the place like the one they left, its about them bringing thier culture with them, i don't now how many immigrants we have from warm sandy countries but this place isn't getting any warmer.... or sandier. Somewhat similar to when we had some Italian immigrants after the war and they setup coffee shops and the like, i would say that benefitted our culture, then indians setting up resturants and takeaways across the country, curry is our national dish did you now! its actually a british invented curry that is top Chicken Tikka Massala, that multiculturism in action right there...

A mix of cultures has brought us some of the best food and music we have today, why stop mixing cultures now ??

There's a difference between setting up a coffee shop and starting honour killings, which are a problem in our big cities now.

[Fragony]

Who cares what some random professor says anyway?

Littlegrizly asked what I have against multiculturalism, well that is what I have against it it's a perfect example of the braindamage that is blind faith.

But what about the multiculture society! she asked

What about it? I replied.

Eyes widened jaws dropped ... how could I not understand ....

[HoreTore]

First off Frags, you should know that you shouldn't blindly trust a source, especially a translated one, and that you should check the original source first. Also, you should know that you shouldn't rely on a qoute taken out of context, but you should get the full article.

The article the quote is from is this: http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/09/06/279676.html

in norwegian, unfortunately...

What she said was this:

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- Det er oppsiktsvekkende hvor blinde og naive norske kvinner kan være overfor ikke-vestlige menn. Norske kvinner må bruke vett og forstand, sier Wikan til Dagbladet.

- Tallene overrasker meg ikke i det hele tatt. Mange innvandrere opplever at norske kvinner sender dem signaler om at de ønsker seksuell kontakt. Og da kan det fort gå galt. Mange norske kvinner har altfor dårlig kunnskap om ikke-vestlige menns kvinnesyn, sier Wikan.

- Det er aldri akseptabelt med voldtekt. Men det er forståelig at en del menn fra ikke-vestlige land opplever at de får seksuelle invitter fra norske kvinner som på sin side bare gjør det som er normalt for norske kvinner. Det er oppsiktsvekkende hvor blinde og naive norske kvinner kan være overfor ikke-vestlige menn, sier Wikan.

Jeg vil ikke legge skylden for voldtektene på de norske kvinnene. Men norske kvinner må innse at vi lever i et flerkulturelt samfunn, og innrette seg deretter.

Med mindre de har et ønske om sex, advarer Wikan norske kvinner på det sterkeste mot å invitere med seg hjem for eksempel muslimske menn som vet lite om norsk kultur.

Hun peker også på at voldtektsmenn i de fleste muslimske land knapt blir straffet.

- De fleste steder mener man at det er kvinnen som har skylden for voldtekten. Og det er rimelig at innvandrere tar med seg slike holdninger når de flytter hit til landet, sier professoren, som selv har levd mange år i muslimske land.

Translation:

"- It's suprising how blind and naive norwegian women can be towards non-western men. Norwegian women must use common sense, says Wikan to Dagbladet

- The numbers doesn't surprise me at all. Many immigrants experience that norwegian women are sending them signals that they want sexual contact. And then things can go wrong quickly. A lot of norwegian women have too poor knowledge about non-western mens view of women, says Wikan.

- It's never acceptable with rape. But it's understandable that a few men from non-western countries think they get sexual invitations from norwegian women who are just doing what's normal for norwegian women. It's shocking how blind and naive norwegian women can be towards non-western men, says Wikan.

- I don't want to put the blame of these rapes on the women. But norwegian women needs to realize that we're living in a multicultural society, and adopt accordingly.

Unless they want sex, Wikan warns norwegian women strongly not to invite for example muslim men who know little about norwegian culture home.

She also points to the fact that rapists in most muslim countries are rarely punished.

In most places, they believe that it's the woman who is to blame for the rape. And it's understandable that immigrants take these attitudes with them when they move to this country, says the professor, who has spent many years living in muslim countries."


I'm not very surprised that your original quote was forged by the guy writing the article at that vienna site...

[Fragony]

errrrr Horetore that's exactly the same thing, and same context.

[HoreTore]

errrrr Horetore that's exactly the same thing, and same context.

Uhm, no, your qoute says that they should dress appropriately, which she never said. Instead, she says that they should be aware that they're sending the message that they want sex if they invite them home, and that they should be aware of that.

Also, your quote says that the women have the take some responsibility, while she actually says the opposite.

[Fragony]

Same thing, she expects all Norwegian women to act differently because of how a small group experiences their behaviour. Not perfect translation on the site but the message is the same. Norwegian women have to adapt to the new circumstances.

[HoreTore]

Same thing, she expects all Norwegian women to act differently because of how a small group experiences their behaviour. Not perfect translation on the site but the message is the same. Norwegian women have to adapt to the new circumstances.

Uhm no. What she says is that they have to realize how their actions are viewed by other people, and that some groups of people view certain actions differently than other groups of people. She doesn't say that women should stop inviting people home, she says that if you invite this and this person home, you should be aware that he might read more into it than that person over there.

And "not a perfect translation" is the understatement of the year. Complete forgery is a better term.