Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Andres]

I'm not a native speaker, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but there's something strange about pever's reveal.

In case you've forgotten, Mafia VIII is now underway and the first kills will be up within 24 hours. After that, as the detective, you can investigate one person per night, finding their innocence or lack thereof. PM the name of the player you are going to investigate to me.
GH

Doesn't this mean that he can only start investigating after the first kills have been posted? That would mean pever was not allowed to investigate on N1, right? We had 3 nights thus far. If pever wasn't allowed to investigate on N1, then he could only have 2 results now?

Yet he claims to have 3 results?

EDIT: also, he didn't reveal but after he was gaining (blatant) bandwagon votes... If you had a guilty result, then why didn't you reveal at the beginning of the day?

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Pevergreen
I believe you be neither mafioso or detective. You are just a very unhelpful townie. Unless someone comes up with a good suspect I'm voting to lose the dead weight.

edit: supposed to be vote: peverpink

[TinCow]

Vote: Pevergreen
I believe you be neither mafioso or detective. You are just a very unhelpful townie. Unless someone comes up with a good suspect I'm voting to lose the dead weight.

You think pever is a townie? Why would he make up a fake detective PM if he was a townie? Detective, yes. Mafioso, yes. Townie, no.

[KukriKhan]

I'm not a native speaker, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but there's something strange about pever's reveal.



Doesn't this mean that he can only start investigating after the first kills have been posted? That would mean pever was not allowed to investigate on N1, right? We had 3 nights thus far. If pever wasn't allowed to investigate on N1, then he could only have 2 results now?

Yet he claims to have 3 results?

EDIT: also, he didn't reveal but after he was gaining (blatant) bandwagon votes... If you had a guilty result, then why didn't you reveal at the beginning of the day?

Hmmm, you're right, that is how it reads: After that, as the detective, you can investigate one person per night...". So after N1 he can investigate, etc...

Sounds like a phony reveal.

vote: peverpink

Explain, Sir. Or die.

[pevergreen]

I dont write the PM's.

Lynch me if you want, just get kage eventually?

[Andres]

I dont write the PM's.

Lynch me if you want, just get kage eventually?

Can you post the pm's GH sent you with your investigation results?

[Sigurd]

Im in the middle of a game, effort to copypasta

In case you've forgotten, Mafia VIII is now underway and the first kills will be up within 24 hours. After that, as the detective, you can investigate one person per night, finding their innocence or lack thereof. PM the name of the player you are going to investigate to me.
GH

EDIT: There you go

Suspiciously very similar to the townie pm:

In case you've forgotten, Mafia VIII is now underway and the first kills will be up within 24 hours. After that, as a townie, it will be your job to hunt down and lynch the nasty scum. Good luck!

GH

[Sarathos]

Ok I lied...Im actually the detective.

I don't believe that for one second, this is the second game where you have been lurking and then suddenly come from no where claiming to be the detective. Not going to work this time.


What I don't get is the point of you claiming mafia in the first place. You are either mafia and you want to get yourself lynched because you are insane. You are mafia and you are tryng to avoid getting lynched (which was your fault in the first place...) by trying to cover with your detective story. If you were the detective why would you try and get yourself lynched?

[TinCow]

PM similarity could be due to GH writing them both. A 'basic' game doesn't need lengthy role PMs. In any case, it makes no sense to take a chance at lynching a possible detective. Better to let him live and possibly provide us with more detective results. Lynching a single mafioso won't reduce the number of kills anyway. pever should be given at least one round to prove himself.

FoS: Everyone who is voting for pever at this point.

If he is the legit detective, then one of these people is likely Kage's scum buddy.

[Andres]

PM similarity could be due to GH writing them both. A 'basic' game doesn't need lengthy role PMs. In any case, it makes no sense to take a chance at lynching a possible detective. Better to let him live and possibly provide us with more detective results. Lynching a single mafioso won't reduce the number of kills anyway. pever should be given at least one round to prove himself.

FoS: Everyone who is voting for pever at this point.

If he is the legit detective, then one of these people is likely Kage's scum buddy.

I'm still undecided, but there are some things suggesting a fake reveal:

a) timing (late reveal, only after he gained a few bandwagon votes, pever is in Australia, maybe he felt the need to save his skin before he had to go to bed, making his reveal in fact a last minute reveal);
b) the odd wording of the role pm;
c) not posting the role pm sponteneously ;
d) not posting the original investigation results as pm'ed by GH.

[TinCow]

I agree, there's plenty that is questionable about pever, but I don't see the harm in letting him live. Give him more time to explain himself. Lynching him now won't reduce the number of kills anyway, even if he's mafioso. If he's the detective, he's our only power role. If pever doesn't satisfactorily explain himself in the future, then we can lynch him. It's not like he can easily fade back into obscurity at this point.

Also, if pever is not the detective, then the real detective may still out there somewhere. That person would have some innocent results by now and could easily contact the people he knows to be innocent and use them as a proxy to discredit pever.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No private reveals by the Detective. It's stated in the rules.

[LittleGrizzly]

Pevers reveal does seem a bit dodgy, but is it worth the risk lynching him when he could be the detective, this would be a great time for the real detective to reveal if he isn't infact khaan, if the detective could pm one of the dead players (who im guessing are confirmed innocents, bar pk maybe who got lynched rather than killed, which is ironic really)

Edit: damn so detective can't pm me or andres....

only way i can think is for detective to reveal in thread...

[FactionHeir]

Firstly I think pever is likely a townie, not a mafioso, because his reveal seems to be a modified townie PM. Thus I think TinCow voting him saying he is mafia is very suspicious after he just voted Kagemusha on pever's behalf. In fact, I would FoS: TinCow for that. He certainly knows better than this and he is likely Mafia.

Now, as to the twist/hint

NNVTHMST-???

This is getting us somewhere. Is no one else working on this???
I would however emphasize (to prevent mafiosi tinkering with it) that we should post the whole sentence where the letter was missing.
I also think Ichigo is innocent as a result.

As for my analysis:

The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

Extra letter, not missing. Still, maybe useful

Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

Missing the S in Andres and having an extra i in amiably.

Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

Missing the a in binoculars

"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car.

Missing the n in binoculars

From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

Missing the i in considering

"Didd't adyone eber tell you dat the victibs are suppode to go quiedly?"

This one is a far cry, but useful to keep in mind for future reference.

So the confirmed missing letters so far: S A N I
->Sanity?

[edit]
Also worth considering:
S N from the fedora type
A I from the other guy

People with S and N in their name:
woad&fangs
shlin28
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Seamus Fermanagh
Joe Monks

People with A and I in their name:
RoadKill
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Mithrandir
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Crazed Rabbit
FactionHeir

The problem of course is that we don't know if the letters are supposed to be a name or a code. I suppose the next nights will tell more.
Also note that there was 1 letter missing per night phase kill.

[Privateerkev]

Says the guy who voted himself...

Yeah, but doing it on the first day turn did minimal damage to the town. The chances of finding mafia on day 1 were miniscule. I thought it was better to "take one for the team" and help out while dead.

Acting goofy while a townie should be treated the same as abstainers and lurkers. They should be lynched if you can't find mafia. It is in the town's best interest to cull out the people who say "btw I'm mafia" a few day turns into the game.

Acting goofy on turn one is one thing. But doing it 3 or 4 turns into the game just makes you an unhelpful townie.

Because of that nasty intstinct that you seem to be missing...

...the survival instinct!

If your a townie, you shouldn't have a survival instinct. You win if the town wins whether your dead or alive. A survival instinct is the trait of scum.

And guys, this is discovery1's usual playstyle, so I don't think disco is a good lynch...

No but he is not being helpful and should eventually be lynched if no better candidates are found.

Heh, after seeing your cunningness in Star Wars I'll always be suspicious of you and PK as well because he's PK

I'm honored.

Ok I lied, I thought I'd try to pull a spartan for fun.

Im actually the detective, ive investigated:

Night 1: Sasaki (I always investigate Sasaki first, hes innocent)
Night 2: Andres (Yup, innocent, he died >_>)
Night 3: Kage (well CR is normally right...he is again. We has a mafia!)

I don't buy this for a second. I think pever got bored being a townie, decided to mess around with WIFOM, got caught, and is now trying to save himself. I don't think he is mafia or the detective. I just think he is being a really bad townie.

Put an equal amount of votes on both Pever and Kag to get them to start talking more. Which ever one satisfies you the most, should be saved for one round.

[FactionHeir]

Ichigo: Can you post the sentences where you found the missing letters in case I missed some?

[Andres]

I agree, there's plenty that is questionable about pever, but I don't see the harm in letting him live. Give him more time to explain himself. Lynching him now won't reduce the number of kills anyway, even if he's mafioso. If he's the detective, he's our only power role. If pever doesn't satisfactorily explain himself in the future, then we can lynch him. It's not like he can easily fade back into obscurity at this point.

Also, if pever is not the detective, then the real detective may still out there somewhere. That person would have some innocent results by now and could easily contact the people he knows to be innocent and use them as a proxy to discredit pever.

Well there are several possiblities:

a) pever's claim is genuine;
b) pever lied:
b) 1) pever is mafia
b) 2) pever is a townie who tries to protect the detective by posting a fake reveal (it has been
done before, I think)

If we are giving pever the benefit of the doubt, then I suggest that the reveal detective investigates pever and, in case of a 'guilty' gives us the results tomorrow. In the meanwhile, the town can lynch Kage.

[Privateerkev]

Or pever could be a townie who is lying for fun. He seems to get bored as a townie and like to "spice things up". We all play for different reasons. But his reasons seem to be bad for the overall health of the town. So he should probably get lynched eventually unless he becomes more helpful.

A townie can be most helpful by being active and providing analysis and opinion. It is more difficult for mafia to hide in this enviroment. Allowing people to get away with creating a joke-filled environment gives the mafia cover. It's the same with allowing lurkers or abstaining.

The mafia hide in the environment that the rest of the town creates. Anyone who is creating an environment that helps the mafia, is an unhelpful townie and needs lynching.

Mafia are usually small in number and have difficulty creating the environment themselves. It makes them stand out. They usually sit and follow the cues of the town.

Like I said, throw votes on both Kag and pever. See what they say. Lynch one of them. Then pressure the other tomorrow.

[KukriKhan]

OK, I'll go with the "give pever the benefit of a doubt" plan, because I can't explain his motivation (and he hasn't either). His accusation against Kage is too shaky to trust.

unvote: peverpink
vote: Mithrandir

^^My default position: vote off the lurkers, intentional or not.

[Andres]

OK, I'll go with the "give pever the benefit of a doubt" plan, because I can't explain his motivation (and he hasn't either). His accusation against Kage is too shaky to trust.

If we give pever the benefit of the doubt, then shouldn't Kage be our lynch for today?

If we assume pever is the detective, then what exactly is shaky about "Hi, I'm the detecive and my investigation result shows Kage as guilty"?

unvote: peverpink
vote: Mithrandir

^^My default position: vote off the lurkers, intentional or not.

Most of the lurkers will be dealt with by the Wrath of God (WoG). We should pay attention to the lurkers within a day or 3, namely to those who haven't posted much and still managed to avoid the WoG by then.

[CountArach]

Vote: pever

The fake PM is grammatically incorrect (should be a comma before "or").

[TinCow]

Firstly I think pever is likely a townie, not a mafioso, because his reveal seems to be a modified townie PM. Thus I think TinCow voting him saying he is mafia is very suspicious after he just voted Kagemusha on pever's behalf. In fact, I would FoS: TinCow for that. He certainly knows better than this and he is likely Mafia.

I suspect you've mixed up someone else's post with one of mine. I haven't voted for pever, I've been defending him.

[naut]

Giving pever one more night to prove himself isn't too much to ask, so I say we lynch Kage and lynch pever tomorrow.

This letter stuff is confusing me though.

[FactionHeir]

I suspect you've mixed up someone else's post with one of mine. I haven't voted for pever, I've been defending him.

Er... Unvote: Ichigo.
Vote: Kagemusha

Pending a response from Kage.

You think pever is a townie? Why would he make up a fake detective PM if he was a townie? Detective, yes. Mafioso, yes. Townie, no.

Anyway, your mention of the letters early on is somewhat redeeming which is why I didn't vote you outright.

[naut]

And now for something completely different:

Vote: Beefy

This might have been said before but...

Can mafia kill two players if they are down to one players?
Sorry if this has been said. I got no time to go through all post just yet..

Blatant WIFOM.

Im just checking. Am I not allowed to check anymore? My parents always told me to check even its the most obvious thing.. Besides if I was a mafia I wouldnt even have to ask that...

Blatant WIFOM.

Vote: Pever

Thats for creating WIFOM situation

Third on a bandwagon.

Tally:

peverpink = 6 (Ichigo, Sarathos, Beefy187, Joe Monks, woad&fangs, CountArach)

Kagemusha = 3 (peverpink, TinCow, Sigurd)

discovery1: 2 (Caius, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Tiberius of the Drake: 1 (makaikhaan)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Mithrandir = 1 (Kukrikhan)
Sasaki: 1 (Discovery1)
makaikhaan: 1 (RoadKill)
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 (Sasaki)
Beefy187: 1 (Rythmic)

[Privateerkev]

Let's look at pever's posts in conjunction with his supposed night activites.

N1: He supposedly investigates Sasaki and finds him innocent at the beginning of D1

Then he posts this:

1, 2, 3

(post 3 is interesting. It was in response to Ichigo's post about the Sasaki bandwagon. If pever found Sasaki to be innocent, why encourage a baseless bandwagon on him?)

After that was this:

4

Then we went into N2 where he supposedly investigated Andres and found him to be innocent.

During N2:

5

During D2:

6

Then he does not post in the thread at all for over 2 days. Keep in mind that he has now supposedly investigated Kag and found him to be mafia.

Then, early on today, he makes this post out of the blue:

7

He makes a vote on discovery while supposedly knowing for sure that Kag is mafia. And then he goes all WIFOMish. If he was really the detective, he would have placed a well reasoned vote on Kag and would not have WIFOM'd in such a blatant manner.

Then when caught in the WIFOM, he posts this:

8

Now he is in hot water, he votes for Kag.

9

Here he posts his "reveal". It seems like a blatant ripoff of the townie PM. Plus he never posts his night action PM's.

then finally:

10

Here he still tries to keep suspicion on Kag.

At this point, I say keep an eye on Kag but I would guess that he is innocent. Pever had ample opportunity to vote for Kag but didn't until he saw he was about to get bandwagoned. My guess is that Pever is not the detective. I don't think he is mafia either. He seems far too careless. But he is being a very bad townie and seems like a good lynch for today.

[shlin28]

I don't get the how the missing letters work... can anyone explain it to me?

Withholding vote until later.

[Craterus]

We're looking for lost letters and several letters appear to be 'out of place' in the write-ups.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pever is clearly not the detective. One will have to look back and see if he is a townie faking for fun or a mafioso.

[Privateerkev]

Pever is clearly not the detective. One will have to look back and see if he is a townie faking for fun or a mafioso.

I did. (just 4 posts above.) My guess is he is a townie faking for fun.

Is everything ok Sasaki? You seem very much "off your game" lately...