Are you a virgin?

[HoreTore]

On another note; why on earth shouldn't people be allowed to divorce(or annul) a marriage for whatever reason they may please?

What gives us(as in; the society) the right to decide which reason are valid and which are not, what gives us the right to force 2 people to live together?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

You have still not provided a source for these 'hate rapes'; they exist in your books only.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/...gang_rapes.htm

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2102...ic-hate-speech (Not about hate rapes, but gives an interesting background on the mindset)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...pe-421803.html

[Viking]

http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/...gang_rapes.htm

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2102...ic-hate-speech (Not about hate rapes, but gives an interesting background on the mindset)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...pe-421803.html

A few isolated cases here and there, sure thing.

[Tribesman]

It all doesn't make sense, old chum, until you realise that she is defending tribal custom; that she is, like our friend here said, throwing a bone to North African migrants who are stuck in the old ways.

Come off it old chum surely the tribal custom would have been to kill the bride then maim the familly then apply to the elders for financial retribution for the expense of the wedding and the "humiliation" their son sufered
Instead like a good "westernised" family they called in the lawyers and went to the district court all legal like

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

A few isolated cases here and there, sure thing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...7-2AD9C7BED66B

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...7-2AD9C7BED66B

http://patdollard.com/2007/04/13/epi...blame-provoca/

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...ave_in_sweden/

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1937

http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007...raping-europe/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/005412.php

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1372959/posts

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07...vering-up.html

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimhateinNorway.htm (mainly paragraph eight, though the whole article is relevant)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a...or-sex-attacks

[Adrian II]

Come off it old chum surely the tribal custom would have been to kill the bride then maim the familly then apply to the elders for financial retribution for the expense of the wedding and the "humiliation" their son sufered
Instead like a good "westernised" family they called in the lawyers and went to the district court all legal like

Coming from you, that's as good as an admission that maybe Frags and me and others aren't entirely bolloxed tonight.

[HoreTore]

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimhateinNorway.htm (mainly paragraph eight, though the whole article is relevant)

That's quite possible the funniest piece of complete nonsense I have ever read.

Thanks!

[Fragony]

Coming from you, that's as good as an admission that maybe Frags and me and others aren't entirely bolloxed tonight.

That is true, yes definatily. But we aren't angry Tribesman, just a little dissapointed.

hehe

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

That's quite possible the funniest piece of complete nonsense I have ever read.

I take it you read the relevant paragraph and links?

[HoreTore]

I take it you read the relevant paragraph and links?

Which? The forged quotes, the outright lies, the undocumented claims, the things taken out of context or the things the author has misunderstood completely?

[PBI]

EMFM, what you need is quality of links, not quantity. All you've really managed to establish is that there are a lot of nutters on the internet, and I think we were all already aware of that.

Anything from a credible source? (Hint: Some far-right loony's blog doesn't count as a credible source)

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

EMFM, what you need is quality of links, not quantity. All you've really managed to establish is that there are a lot of nutters on the internet, and I think we were all already aware of that.

The Brussels Journal is a perfectly fine source, in my opinion. The freerepublic.com link is also quite good. I also fail to see a problem with FrontPage Magazine.

A site being conservative does not make it unreliable.

[Viking]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...7-2AD9C7BED66B

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...7-2AD9C7BED66B

http://patdollard.com/2007/04/13/epi...blame-provoca/

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...ave_in_sweden/

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1937

http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007...raping-europe/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/005412.php

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1372959/posts

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07...vering-up.html

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimhateinNorway.htm (mainly paragraph eight, though the whole article is relevant)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a...or-sex-attacks

All of those sources are about as biased as a source could possible be. Why can you not provide a primary source, or source that's more well known, like BBC? I'll answer: it's because all of this is original research and doubtful; it doesn't take anything to host such websites, anyone can.

As for over-representation for immigrants; that doesn't surprise me, any minority within a country will do.

Furthermore, by the over-representation logic; if one find that people with little education are also over-represented, then we should kick them all out of the country, since the likelyhood of one of them committing rape it is greater than for an average person. And probably you'll find a link between alcohol and rapes, that those who drink alcohol are more likely to commit rape, such that all non-teetotals should be kicked out of the country. It's all in the statistics anyway.

[HoreTore]

The Brussels Journal is a perfectly fine source, in my opinion. The freerepublic.com link is also quite good. I also fail to see a problem with FrontPage Magazine.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754 <-Like that one?

The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City.

A good tip on how to ruin your credibility: start your article with an outright lie. Always a winner.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you don't believe me, I'll show it to you:

According to a reliable source like this one, the number of rapes in New York was 3169 in 2006. The population is some 18 million.

In oslo, according to this article there were 235 reported rapes in 2006 with a population of some 500.000.

Multiply 235 with 36, and you get 8460. Divide 8460 by 3169 and you get a little over 2,5 and not 6...

But that doesn't give a very good picture, as with anything involving rape and statistics, due to the fact that the vast number of rapes never gets reported and the numbers are pulled from two different agencies. Also, I don't really know what the new york numbers are, if they're convictions or rapes reported to the police.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'll answer: it's because all of this is original research and doubtful; it doesn't take anything to host such websites, anyone can.

There's a problem with original research? Anyhow, I've listed three sites from there that I believe are reliable enough. Of course they're biased - get used to the media.

But that doesn't give a very good picture, as with anything involving rape and statistics, due to the fact that the vast number of rapes never gets reported and the numbers are pulled from two different agencies. Also, I don't really know what the new york numbers are, if they're convictions or rapes reported to the police.

Thank you.

[HoreTore]

There's a problem with original research? Anyhow, I've listed three sites from there that I believe are reliable enough. Of course they're biased - get used to the media.

Thank you.

So in your opinion, people making up numbers are "reliable enough"....?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So in your opinion, people making up numbers are "reliable enough"....?

Regarding the proportion of the rapes, is this good enough for you?

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle190268.ece

[HoreTore]

Regarding the proportion of the rapes, is this good enough for you?

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle190268.ece

It gets even better there: 111 rapes. Multiply that with 36, and you get just a little more than New York.

I'm still waiting to hear whether you think people making up numbers are reliable, or that you show me where it says the number of rapes are 6 times higher per capita in oslo than new york.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It gets even better there: 111 rapes. Multiply that with 36, and you get just a little more than New York.

The proportion committed by immigrants is the important part, not the amount of rapes that there are in New York. The proportion committed by immigrants is high and the number of rapes are rising.

[HoreTore]

The proportion committed by immigrants is the important part, not the amount of rapes that there are in New York.

No, your "reliable source" stated that the number of rapes were 6 times higher in oslo than in new york.

The proportion committed by immigrants is high and the number of rapes are rising.

Bah. 72 rapes committed from a population of some 50.000 immigrants. Why on earth should we let the actions of 72 idiots affect the situation of the 49.928 other immigrants?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

No, your "reliable source" stated that the number of rapes were 6 times higher in oslo than in new york.

Which is irrelevant to my point.

Bah. 72 rapes committed from a population of some 50.000 immigrants. Why on earth should we let the actions of 72 idiots affect the situation of the 49.928 other immigrants?

Because, proportionally, these people are raping more than non-immigrants, meaning some sort of reform or change is needed. Rape charges are increasing fairly dramatically, and not all cases make it to prosecution, and not every rape has charges filed.

[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Evil_Maniac From Mars;1943285]Which is irrelevant to my point.

It's pretty relevant to your point that the blog you pointed to is a reliable source.

Because, proportionally, these people are raping more than non-immigrants, meaning some sort of reform or change is needed.

Bah. As I said, 72 rapes. How on earth can you justify reforms for 50.000 innocent people based on 72 dolts? That's like saying that Norway should've made some huge reforms for our population in 1945 because a few traitors joined the germans when they invaded.

Rape charges are increasing fairly dramatically

As they say, there are 2 kinds of lies; small lies, and statistics. Put the numbers in percentage, and the numbers are dramatic. Look at the actual headcount, and the increase is minimal.

and not all cases make it to prosecution, and not every rape has charges filed.

And just how do you know that the increase isn't caused simply by more people reporting rapes as opposed to more rapes occurring? And how do you know that immigrants are not over-represented because they get reported more often than non-immigrants?

[ajaxfetish]

So uhh anyone heard back from ajaxfetish yet?

After careful consideration, I've decided to change my answer from 'Yes, I'm a virgin' to 'No . . . no, I'm not.'

Pics soon to follow*

Ajax

















*of the wedding, you sickos!

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Bah. As I said, 72 rapes. How on earth can you justify reforms for 50.000 innocent people based on 72 dolts?

The point is that most rapes are committed by a population that makes up a small percentage of the population.

Put the numbers in percentage, and the numbers are dramatic. Look at the actual headcount, and the increase is minimal.

The increase is proportionally dramatic. Good enough for you?

And just how do you know that the increase isn't caused simply by more people reporting rapes as opposed to more rapes occurring? And how do you know that immigrants are not over-represented because they get reported more often than non-immigrants?

You don't, but you're just speculating, the article uses data.

[HoreTore]

You don't, but you're just speculating, the article uses data.

And neither do you.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

And neither do you.

Well, at least I have the article to back me up.

[Geoffrey S]

Can we please, please stop with the racist, xenophobic, and utterly laughable blogs? All they're doing is make my brains rot. I much prefer the actual subject of the topic, namely the curious (and in my opinion, wrongful) application of modern Western judicial systems in the defense of the practices of archaic tribal traditions, which form a major part in the everyday lives of many north-African (muslim) immigrants.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Can we please, please stop with the racist, xenophobic, and utterly laughable blogs?

Well, we already have, see. We're on the second-largest newspaper in Norway now, to my knowledge.

[Tribesman]

well Mars you really are proving Vikings point .
Leaving aside the absolute fruitcake nature of some of those sites , lets just look
Viking wrote....

A few isolated cases here and there, sure thing.

You respond with a pile of links
OK so far ?
No then , of that pile of links how many how many are using exactly the same incident/news report/survey for their whole gamut ?
Now if as is the case they are all linking to the same thing then that is a big reporting of isolated cases not as you wish to portray a big incidence of cases .

BTW...

I also fail to see a problem with FrontPage Magazine.

...Jihadwtch is part of frontpage , the US government describes that as a racist hate site.... Do you see the problem there ?

Coming from you, that's as good as an admission that maybe Frags and me and others aren't entirely bolloxed tonight.

Not at all , you are bolloxed until either you or Frag can show that the post before that was in any way wrong .

[Geoffrey S]

We're on the second largest newspaper of Norway, which shows nothing more shocking than that of the roughly 100.000 non-western immigrants, less than eighty commit rape per year. Looks like you're on something else entirely...