Baktrian D-Day in Greece

[Tyrfingr]

So who wants to tell a good nazi joke?? I want to laugh too!

Hitler and his chauffeur was driving along the German countryside when they suddenly felt a bump under the car. They looked outside and saw that they have rammed a sheep.

- Don't you worry, said Hitler, to the chauffeur. I'll go explain to the farmer that we have killed one of his sheeps. And Hitler walked up to the farm-house and was gone for a long time...

Soon, Hitler returned bruised up and were almost beaten to a pulp. He got into the car and screamed:
"Good lord, these people are crazy here, beating you senseless for killing a sheep! Let's go away as fast as possible".

When they started to drive, they immediately felt another bump under the car. They looked outside against and saw that they had run over a pig.

Well, I'm not going up to that crazy farmer again, said Hitler. Chauffeur, you'll go!

And so the scared chauffeur walked up the farm-house and was gone for a long time. But then he returned, with a basket filled with wine-bottles, expensive sausages and cheese. Astonished, Hitler asked the driver: What the hell did you tell the farmer? And the chauffeur answered:

I got up to the cabin and said "Heil Hitler. The pig is dead and it was me who ran over him".

[Hax]

Bleh, all jokes are normally directed to something (gender/nationality/race/etc), now should I feel insulted by portuguese jokes brazilian regularly make about us? I couldn't care anything less.. I make jokes about black people in front of my black friends and they don't give a damn. I have some Sephardic Jewish blood (So says my father), so should I be really sensibilized and shocked when someone tells me a Nazi joke? Nope, and yet I find Nazi jokes the most funny I can remember of. They're jokes, and jokes are supposed to make fun of someone. Since the holocaust happened regrettably, people make fun of that. Just as I'm sure in a few decades, people might do jokes about terrorists and americans, 9/11 et al. (I'm not sure if they already do. If they do, those jokes haven't arrived in Portugal yet) Sad events later lead to jokes. And their created because normally their funny to people. Preventing from laughing at a joke "out of respect" for the sensibility of many victims and their famillies of the holocaust is just silly.

Exactly. Also, people tend to forget that "The Holocaust" wasn't the -only- thing in history in which people got murdered on a big scale. Take the Holodomor in Ukraine for example.

Being somewhat of a "pagan" (though I despise that term), should I be offended when people make jokes about witches being burned at the stake in the Middle Ages?

Edit: Also:

and was gone for a long time...

Soon,

Ehm..what?

[Lysimachos]

Well, making jokes about Nazis is one matter, though a matter which can be discussed, when it is capable of trivializing.
Utilizing nazi terminology in a glorifying or affirmative way is something completely different. There are many people deliberately using nazi terminology and projecting nazi ideology on something they do, because they identify with it or because they think it's "cool". But it is not, it marks the most terrible episode of mankind's history until now and hopefully for the future, too.
I don't know if it meant to be a joke or not. Even if it is, the chosen way (a positive, affirmative approach) shows disrespect towards all who suffered under the nazi reign and a belittlement of its actions.

Just my opinion on what is acceptable and what is not.

By the way: The choice of a historically rather "non-xenophobic" state doesn't make it amusing but at best ridiculous, imho.

Edit:

Exactly. Also, people tend to forget that "The Holocaust" wasn't the -only- thing in history in which people got murdered on a big scale. Take the Holodomor in Ukraine for example.

Though there have been many occasions when people got murdered on abig scale there never has been any comparably systematic and inhuman administration of the annihilation of life than under the nazis, which gives it a wholly different quality than most other occasions.
Not that i would legitimate to make jokes about victims of crimes of humanity in other times or locations!

[Dumbass]

Well, making jokes about Nazis is one matter, though a matter which can be discussed, when it is capable of trivializing.
Utilizing nazi terminology in a glorifying or affirmative way is something completely different. There are many people deliberately using nazi terminology and projecting nazi ideology on something they do, because they identify with it or because they think it's "cool". But it is not, it marks the most terrible episode of mankind's history until now and hopefully for the future, too.
I don't know if it meant to be a joke or not. Even if it is, the chosen way (a positive, affirmative approach) shows disrespect towards all who suffered under the nazi reign and a belittlement of its actions.

Just my opinion on what is acceptable and what is not.

By the way: The choice of a historically rather "non-xenophobic" state doesn't make it amusing but at best ridicoulus, imho.

How could this NOT be a joke? It's Baktria, as the Nazis!
Baktria!
Nazis!
If you couldn't see that it was a joke just from that, then I'm sorry my friend but I must question your sense of humour. Also the fact that his hilarious writing style did not make it obvious?

The time has passed in which we should hold back our humour on this particular subject just to be politically correct. People have always made jokes about past atrocities. It is only when we can make jokes about it that we can come to terms with it and accept that it happened. I have many jewish friends who often joke about Hitler and sometimes the holocaust. Yes, it was a horrible thing that happened, but the jokes are intended to mock and make fun of the Nazi's and their actions.

I want to find out what happens next from the Baktrian Reich.

[Lysimachos]

How could this NOT be a joke? It's Baktria, as the Nazis!
Baktria!
Nazis!
If you couldn't see that it was a joke just from that, then I'm sorry my friend but I must question your sense of humour. Also the fact that his hilarious writing style did not make it obvious?

Well, i have seen similar which has not been a joke, but has been used with conviction, because the writers thought it would be cool to be like Hitler.
And the writing style which you find hilarious just resembles absolutely serious propaganda style and thus gives no indication of the intention.

The time has passed in which we should hold back our humour on this particular subject just to be politically correct. People have always made jokes about past atrocities. It is only when we can make jokes about it that we can come to terms with it and accept that it happened. I have many jewish friends who often joke about Hitler and sometimes the holocaust. Yes, it was a horrible thing that happened, but the jokes are intended to mock and make fun of the Nazi's and their actions.

As i have written, i differentiate between one kind of jokes and another one. You may mock them, but you may not impersonate them.

[Foot]

It started off badly, and got far far worse toward the end.

Closed for bad behaviour and unnecessary nazi discussion. This is a forum about EB and classical history.

Foot

[keravnos]

Lysimachos, As Hellenes have fought against nazi Germany valiantly (even Hitler admitted in his Reichstag that Greek's fight was valiant) and paid a terrible price for that (1 in 7 1940's Greeks was dead by the end of the decade), I think that anyone trying to portay Baktrians of yesteryear or Hellenes of today as Nazi like nation is utterly ridiculous.

As such, it is ok to get a laugh at a portrayal of Baktria as a nazi state. It is saying heaps about the creator of said AAR. I think I can even guess his place of origin...

[General Appo]

Come on, you don´t have to read if you don´t want to. Besides, if you really dislike Nazi stuff you should be at Nazi forums trying to convince them of Hitlers wrongdoings, not putting down people who are ridiculing Nazis.

[Jolt]

there never has been any comparably systematic and inhuman administration of the annihilation of life than under the nazis

I'd suggest you read a book about the Mongol Empire. Hitler is worthy of seating right next to Jesus if he was ever compared to Genghis Khan. Yet he is idolatrated by the Mongols and studied with awe by many historians. Mongols were known for their brutality, any settlement who refused to surrender immediatly and was captured the whole entire population was wiped out. A few exceptions were those who actually had something to offer to the Mongols. All others, women and children, were massacred. And this happened from China up to Europe, going through the Middle East. Anyways, on with the figures: Lowest estimates are 30 million deaths. In an era more scarcely populated than ours, this is quite an achievement. The highest estimates reach over 60 million people.

Mao Zedong, through his great wisdom, also manages to make Hitler look like a Saint. Thanks to his "Cultural Revolution", systematics purges for the party who raised him and the "Great Leap Foward" he manages to kill, in the lowest estimates: 27 million people. The highest goes over 70 million. But since he is in the East, and the party currently in power is his own, I don't see many people rising in anger at the worshiping of such a man. Why don't you go around the Chinese websites saying the truth about Mao Zedong? Would you even care at the millions of Chinese scholars who publicy their academical essays praising all that Mao had done? Yet you would be outraged if a German one would praise the deeds of Hitler.

Do not give lectures about history. Hitler and his lackeys were sick, twisted people. But to consider the mentioning of "reich" and "panzer", etc as "Nazi Propaganda" is quite simply stupid. And there were people who comitted far greater atrocities that aren't even spoken of.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I really don't think Rycalawre was a nazi, I apologize when it came off that way.

What turns me off with his writing style is that I feel bad if someone uses German language just to funnily portray a nazi empire. I don't think he knows much German (correct me if I'm wrong), but what he knows are obviously some really "cool" nazi phrases. Put in some German words and hey, look how evil it turns. "Reich" is not a nazi word, it's just the German word for empire or (king)dom. The Swedish and the Norwegians have their Riksposten (sp), what is "Imperial Mail", and what would be in German "Reichsautobahnen" (Imperial Motorways), and their "Reichsgrenze" (Imperial border). But look, ooh, how evil and nazi-esque it seems now since we put it in German. Hahaha. I think we'll have to live with this pityful kind of humour forever.

[Lysimachos]

I'd suggest you read a book about the Mongol Empire. Hitler is worthy of seating right next to Jesus if he was ever compared to Genghis Khan. Yet he is idolatrated by the Mongols and studied with awe by many historians. Mongols were known for their brutality, any settlement who refused to surrender immediatly and was captured the whole entire population was wiped out. A few exceptions were those who actually had something to offer to the Mongols. All others, women and children, were massacred. And this happened from China up to Europe, going through the Middle East. Anyways, on with the figures: Lowest estimates are 30 million deaths. In an era more scarcely populated than ours, this is quite an achievement. The highest estimates reach over 60 million people.

Mao Zedong, through his great wisdom, also manages to make Hitler look like a Saint. Thanks to his "Cultural Revolution", systematics purges for the party who raised him and the "Great Leap Foward" he manages to kill, in the lowest estimates: 27 million people. The highest goes over 70 million. But since he is in the East, and the party currently in power is his own, I don't see many people rising in anger at the worshiping of such a man. Why don't you go around the Chinese websites saying the truth about Mao Zedong? Would you even care at the millions of Chinese scholars who publicy their academical essays praising all that Mao had done? Yet you would be outraged if a German one would praise the deeds of Hitler.

Do not give lectures about history. Hitler and his lackeys were sick, twisted people. But to consider the mentioning of "reich" and "panzer", etc as "Nazi Propaganda" is quite simply stupid. And there were people who comitted far greater atrocities that aren't even spoken of.

I'm not going to exchange history lectures and i'm not going to discuss who is beeing praised how much and on which legitimation, because that doesn't affect the point of what i have said, so the only thing i will mention regarding the comparison to the Mongols or Mao:
I don't want to euphemize what they have done, but neither the mongols nor Mao have enacted plan and machinery to completely eradicate whole people and to create a superior race by obliterating anyone and anything which does not fit.
For an individual there is no difference if one is killed to secure power or because one is estimated as beeing without value for the planned breed, but i am still convinced that there is a difference in regard to human dignity.
Which does not make better what others have done, but i'm no one who said, jokes about everything else would be allright.

Besides, i don't consider mentioning of "Reich" and "Panzer" as Nazi propaganda, but i do consider mentioning of things that touch the inner workings of nazi ideology, as such:

inferior people [...] failed how the evolution decided.

Sie fordern Land und Boden!

I don't have to say something about the following, have i?

Baktria uber alles! Seig heil! [sic]

This should be enough.
I want to indicate that i have never said, Rycalawre was a Nazi, i just pointed out that i consider the report's style as very bad taste and this opinion has not changed and probably will not.

[Hax]

Oh, please.

Say, can someone get MAA or TA in here to close this thread?

[Jolt]

I'm not going to exchange history lectures and i'm not going to discuss who is beeing praised how much and on which legitimation, because that doesn't affect the point of what i have said, so the only thing i will mention regarding the comparison to the Mongols or Mao:
I don't want to euphemize what they have done, but neither the mongols nor Mao have enacted plan and machinery to completely eradicate whole people and to create a superior race by obliterating anyone and anything which does not fit.

The point you had made was that the Nazis were basically the people who cared less about human lives. The problem many scholars find was that the said Nazi exterminators who preached about murdering millions were good fathers to their children, good husbands to their wives, leading perfectly normal lives, by modern standards.

Sadly, it is an accepted thesis that the Mongols had a complexity of inferiority. In it, they see that the truth is that the peoples they dominated were much more populous than themselves. (Mongol/Chinese population difference being a blatant one). As such, they considered it "a necessary evil" to systematically exterminate the populations they dominated, so in the eventuality of an uprising, there wouldn't be so many of them left. I pretty much see this as a much worse than what the Nazis tried to enact. It'd be the same as if the Nazis began exterminating everywhere they passed. Millions of Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian and Soviet citizens exterminated. So yes, the Mongols did enact plans to exterminate entire populations. Mao is a special case. Whereas it is believed that Hitler's motives for rebuilding Germany (Which he did, despite the Worldwide Economic Depression, and that is quite a deed) and for the war, uniting "Great Germany", and conquering land for the "vital space" was in part to help the German people prosper and become an indisputable power as a people, being partly "unselfish" motives; whereas Mao cared little for his own people, what he really wanted was more power. Any reason for the development of his country was simply to garner more power so he could bully other countries, and being taken into account more seriously by others.

For an individual there is no difference if one is killed to secure power or because one is estimated as beeing without value for the planned breed, but i am still convinced that there is a difference in regard to human dignity.
Which does not make better what others have done, but i'm no one who said, jokes about everything else would be allright.

Difference on Human Dignity about death is simply too subjective to even discuss. The fact is that they die for equally stupid purposes.

Besides, i don't consider mentioning of "Reich" and "Panzer" as Nazi propaganda, but i do consider mentioning of things that touch the inner workings of nazi ideology, as such:

I don't have to say something about the following, have i?


This should be enough.
I want to indicate that i have never said, Rycalawre was a Nazi, i just pointed out that i consider the report's style as very bad taste and this opinion has not changed and probably will not.

Simulating a fantasy ancient Baktrian invasion using "inferior people" to describe their Greek enemies, and other phrases which are conoted with Nazism, leads to an extrapolation of Nazi Propaganda? Heck, I wonder around Paradox's forum on the game HoI 2 (World War 2), and many German AARs use those terminologies. Phreaps we should censor them for using certain words while RPing a game? That's what I call a "Nazist attitude" (Example: Grammar Nazi :P). Paleeze.

[Ayce]

Oh, will you guys shut the fuck up? This is a funny AAR that mocks the nazis. End of story!

*Eagerly awaiting the next chapter*

[The General]

Hitler and his chauffeur was driving along the German countryside when they suddenly felt a bump under the car. They looked outside and saw that they have rammed a sheep.

- Don't you worry, said Hitler, to the chauffeur. I'll go explain to the farmer that we have killed one of his sheeps. And Hitler walked up to the farm-house and was gone for a long time...

Soon, Hitler returned bruised up and were almost beaten to a pulp. He got into the car and screamed:
"Good lord, these people are crazy here, beating you senseless for killing a sheep! Let's go away as fast as possible".

When they started to drive, they immediately felt another bump under the car. They looked outside against and saw that they had run over a pig.

Well, I'm not going up to that crazy farmer again, said Hitler. Chauffeur, you'll go!

And so the scared chauffeur walked up the farm-house and was gone for a long time. But then he returned, with a basket filled with wine-bottles, expensive sausages and cheese. Astonished, Hitler asked the driver: What the hell did you tell the farmer? And the chauffeur answered:

I got up to the cabin and said "Heil Hitler. The pig is dead and it was me who ran over him".

Good one.