Max Mosley Case

[ICantSpellDawg]

Ah, the old John Redwood line "A man who can betray his wife can betray his country".

Actually, no. Because, guess what, wives aren't countries. And the fact that a man likes to be spanked by prostitutes speaking German tells you nothing about his trustworthiness in other contexts.

Desperately, desperately, some people want the world to conform to their little narrative of good guys and bad guys. And it just doesn't. So they cling to the simple, easy to grasp rule, because its just too scary to face up to the complexity of real life.

Ironically there is only one black and white judgement here and its not AII's.

Corruption exposed tends to be the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg being a death of morals and a contempt for decency. Think of his actions as red flags into his personality.

Is there such a thing as rotten and fresh fruit? There are places that you can keep fruit to keep it edible for long periods of time and other places that will rot the fruit and make it poisonous. Max lives in a brown paper bag.

[HoreTore]

Completely agree with frags here - it's just a bloody fetish. Who cares? We all have them for heavens sake.

[Fragony]

I really don't see the problem, it's weird yes but I shave my privates because it makes me feel like a pornstar. Justv a little fun, being alpha in his trade is just his job, what he does in his free time, it's more cute then it is nasty te me to be so outragious.

[ICantSpellDawg]

In an instant I see why fundamentalists want us all dead.

[Adrian II]

In an instant I see why fundamentalists want us all dead.

Yes, they want to get rid of the complexities of life by destroying it.

In another complex development, it seems there has been a serious fallout some months ago between Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, who represents the industry and the teams in F1 racing. A man close to both of them has even revealed to The Times that the Mosley article was a set-up from one of Mosley's opponents, about which he was warned as well. Hm, business interests after all?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Yes, they want to get rid of the complexities of life by destroying it.

In another complex development, it seems there has been a serious fallout some months ago between Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, who represents the industry and the teams in F1 racing. A man close to both of them has even revealed to The Times that the Mosley article was a set-up from one of Mosley's opponents, about which he was warned as well. Hm, business interests after all?

Life doesn't need to be as "complex" as some people make it. You say "complex person" others say "bad person".

What God is telling you not to judge the actions of others? Me judging someone on the internet doesn't hurt anyone. Can I get the same level of support as this degenerate?

[Adrian II]

Can I get the same level of support as this degenerate?

If you don't stop I'm going to have to spank you.

[ICantSpellDawg]

If you don't stop I'm going to have to spank you.

You and max would be great friends. Buckfutter.

[Craterus]

It's complete non-news in my eyes and nobody's business but his own. The press have way too much freedom.

[Geoffrey S]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

[ICantSpellDawg]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

He is talking about a literal stone. He is saying don't kill the person for their actions. He isn't saying rationalize it until their action is a culturally accepted norm.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Corruption exposed tends to be the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg being a death of morals and a contempt for decency. Think of his actions as red flags into his personality.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a man of power who can't even organise himself an entertaining sex life with running a whelk stand. (...make that a hotdog cart)
And people who surpress their urges tend to take it out on something else. They are like pressure cookers. The pressure builds up and up but the steam can't be can't be released normally. I wouldn't want a sexually repressed maniac running anything.


Besides..four women in uniform, shouting German commands, a bit of spanking...it all tickles Louis' sense of ouh la la....
'Zo you think that you are tough, ja? Now feel how Inge und Eva vill exterminieren your French rezistance'

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It's between him and his wife. If he has a fetish that we think is strange, well, who cares? If his wife cares, then she divorces him and takes his possessions and his children. It's not for us to decide.

[Ronin]

Besides..four women in uniform, shouting German commands, a bit of spanking...it all tickles Louis' sense of ouh la la....
'Zo you think that you are tough, ja? Now feel how Inge und Eva vill exterminieren your French rezistance'

I´ll accompany you in the....





This is ridiculous, the man has a fetish,so what? nobody was harmed or forced to do anything against their will....so what´s the problem here?

It´s no one's business but his and his wife's if she decides that his behavior is a problem for her...

He is talking about a literal stone. He is saying don't kill the person for their actions. He isn't saying rationalize it until their action is a culturally accepted norm.

so I take it you consider that every aspect of your personal life is open for my scrutiny(or anyone else´s) if I choose to do so?

speaking for myself I can say that I have certain "interests" that aren´t exactly "mainstream"....I am in no way ashamed of them......but there is a difference between not being ashamed and not minding it being publicized for everyone to see......and guess what...they are no one´s business but my own.

[ICantSpellDawg]

so I take it you consider that every aspect of your personal life is open for my scrutiny(or anyone else´s) if I choose to do so?

speaking for myself I can say that I have certain "interests" that aren´t exactly "mainstream"....I am in no way ashamed of them......but there is a difference between not being ashamed and not minding it being publicized for everyone to see......and guess what...they are no one´s business but my own.

They aren't "open" to everyone - but I recognize my vices and call them like they are. If you find them out I would appreciate your guidance in eliminating them rather than condonement. You can legally do these things but that doesn't mean that they have to be accepted by the hearts of men and women if you are found out. People need to understand that you can have an moral opinion outside of your national legal system. That is a lowest common denominator morality.

I am not calling for him to be legally punished either criminally or civilly - I'm just calling a spade a spade. "my rights end where your nose begins" is a legal guideline - not morality. The rights guaranteed by the state are not the same as those granted by God.

If you don't believe in a superlative right and wrong then I see where you are coming from.

[HoreTore]

If you don't believe in a superlative right and wrong then I see where you are coming from.

You can certainly believe in right and wrong and not see anything wrong at all with what he's doing.

Come on. Everyone and their grandmother has a fetish or five. And there's nothing wrong with it at all, if you're having fun it's all good.

[KukriKhan]

You can certainly believe in right and wrong and not see anything wrong at all with what he's doing.

Come on. Everyone and their grandmother has a fetish or five. And there's nothing wrong with it at all, if you're having fun it's all good.

So sayeth most teens and twenty-somethings. Something changes around 26-30 years old; having kids maybe. Whatever it is, folks get more judgmental of other folks' behavior, and start seeing aberrations/fethishes, etc. as morally deleterious and/or threatening to their child-rearing efforts.

A "dirty old man" may be harmless to others as long as he keeps his "dirty" to himself. But he's still a dirty old man.

[Tribesman]

If you find them out I would appreciate your guidance in eliminating them rather than condonement.

Well Tuff have you considered ECT to cure you of your vices ?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Well Tuff have you considered ECT to cure you of your vices ?

Is that the reformed gay thing? No i don't need that. I'm totally happy being a full blown gay.

I watch way too much internet porn, smoke cigarettes some times (the only thing I outright lie to my lady about). I bite my nails to an abnormally bloody extent. I am violently wrathful and bloodthirsty over minor transgressions. If I'm doing things that hurt me, however vaguely and serve only hedonistic interests - I would appreciate it if others were to help me reform. I essentially view the opinions of some in this threat to be a positive judgment of vice and of no use to people who attempt to be better in their lives.

[Adrian II]

You can legally do these things but that doesn't mean that they have to be accepted by the hearts of men and women if you are found out.

McGruff, we all know what you mean. Honestly, we do. Lying to your spouse is bad - in most cases, not all. If you love a woman dearly like you apparently love your own - and with every reason, judging by the great pictures you posted on your profile page - then it IS bad to betray her and lie to her. No doubt about it.

But there is lying and lying. Mosley has admitted that he lied to his wife about his sexual activities, and stated that their exposure by the paper was very painful to his family as well as himself. Now something (experience, knowledge of other peoples' affairs) tells me that his wife would have preferred him to keep lying about them and keep them quiet as well, so she wouldn't have to confront this sort of information either in private or in public. And you know what? Despite all this they can still love each other, their sexual attraction may have been over for years or even decades, and they could still be faithful in all matters that are truly important to them. More than a few great minds have lived such lives, and more than a few marriages of convenience have survived because the partners conveniently looked the other way now and then.

What it comes down to, and what I and other posters are trying to convey to you, is that there are obviously criteria for good and bad, but that we can not possibly know if and how they apply in some else's intimate life. It is not you business, nor our business or the public's business to decide what is right or wrong in other peoples' private affairs.