Max Mosley Case

[HoreTore]

Completely agree with frags here - it's just a bloody fetish. Who cares? We all have them for heavens sake.

[Fragony]

I really don't see the problem, it's weird yes but I shave my privates because it makes me feel like a pornstar. Justv a little fun, being alpha in his trade is just his job, what he does in his free time, it's more cute then it is nasty te me to be so outragious.

[ICantSpellDawg]

In an instant I see why fundamentalists want us all dead.

[Adrian II]

In an instant I see why fundamentalists want us all dead.

Yes, they want to get rid of the complexities of life by destroying it.

In another complex development, it seems there has been a serious fallout some months ago between Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, who represents the industry and the teams in F1 racing. A man close to both of them has even revealed to The Times that the Mosley article was a set-up from one of Mosley's opponents, about which he was warned as well. Hm, business interests after all?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Yes, they want to get rid of the complexities of life by destroying it.

In another complex development, it seems there has been a serious fallout some months ago between Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, who represents the industry and the teams in F1 racing. A man close to both of them has even revealed to The Times that the Mosley article was a set-up from one of Mosley's opponents, about which he was warned as well. Hm, business interests after all?

Life doesn't need to be as "complex" as some people make it. You say "complex person" others say "bad person".

What God is telling you not to judge the actions of others? Me judging someone on the internet doesn't hurt anyone. Can I get the same level of support as this degenerate?

[Adrian II]

Can I get the same level of support as this degenerate?

If you don't stop I'm going to have to spank you.

[ICantSpellDawg]

If you don't stop I'm going to have to spank you.

You and max would be great friends. Buckfutter.

[Craterus]

It's complete non-news in my eyes and nobody's business but his own. The press have way too much freedom.

[Geoffrey S]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

[ICantSpellDawg]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

He is talking about a literal stone. He is saying don't kill the person for their actions. He isn't saying rationalize it until their action is a culturally accepted norm.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Corruption exposed tends to be the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg being a death of morals and a contempt for decency. Think of his actions as red flags into his personality.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a man of power who can't even organise himself an entertaining sex life with running a whelk stand. (...make that a hotdog cart)
And people who surpress their urges tend to take it out on something else. They are like pressure cookers. The pressure builds up and up but the steam can't be can't be released normally. I wouldn't want a sexually repressed maniac running anything.


Besides..four women in uniform, shouting German commands, a bit of spanking...it all tickles Louis' sense of ouh la la....
'Zo you think that you are tough, ja? Now feel how Inge und Eva vill exterminieren your French rezistance'

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It's between him and his wife. If he has a fetish that we think is strange, well, who cares? If his wife cares, then she divorces him and takes his possessions and his children. It's not for us to decide.

[Incongruous]

You can form a black and white judgment of it and I expect that you have.

He is a badguy. I don't trust men who do the things that he does. Maybe I shouldn't know about it because the press did something wrong, but I do now and can judge his actions as immoral and... Wrong - ie; not right, bad, etc. You can rationalize it as a good thing but I don't suffer from the same affliction.

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

This man has certain sexual preferences, and so what?
I find it disgusting that certain people can condemn the more sexually interesting, a bit bored are we?

[Ronin]

Besides..four women in uniform, shouting German commands, a bit of spanking...it all tickles Louis' sense of ouh la la....
'Zo you think that you are tough, ja? Now feel how Inge und Eva vill exterminieren your French rezistance'

I´ll accompany you in the....





This is ridiculous, the man has a fetish,so what? nobody was harmed or forced to do anything against their will....so what´s the problem here?

It´s no one's business but his and his wife's if she decides that his behavior is a problem for her...

He is talking about a literal stone. He is saying don't kill the person for their actions. He isn't saying rationalize it until their action is a culturally accepted norm.

so I take it you consider that every aspect of your personal life is open for my scrutiny(or anyone else´s) if I choose to do so?

speaking for myself I can say that I have certain "interests" that aren´t exactly "mainstream"....I am in no way ashamed of them......but there is a difference between not being ashamed and not minding it being publicized for everyone to see......and guess what...they are no one´s business but my own.

[ICantSpellDawg]

so I take it you consider that every aspect of your personal life is open for my scrutiny(or anyone else´s) if I choose to do so?

speaking for myself I can say that I have certain "interests" that aren´t exactly "mainstream"....I am in no way ashamed of them......but there is a difference between not being ashamed and not minding it being publicized for everyone to see......and guess what...they are no one´s business but my own.

They aren't "open" to everyone - but I recognize my vices and call them like they are. If you find them out I would appreciate your guidance in eliminating them rather than condonement. You can legally do these things but that doesn't mean that they have to be accepted by the hearts of men and women if you are found out. People need to understand that you can have an moral opinion outside of your national legal system. That is a lowest common denominator morality.

I am not calling for him to be legally punished either criminally or civilly - I'm just calling a spade a spade. "my rights end where your nose begins" is a legal guideline - not morality. The rights guaranteed by the state are not the same as those granted by God.

If you don't believe in a superlative right and wrong then I see where you are coming from.

[HoreTore]

If you don't believe in a superlative right and wrong then I see where you are coming from.

You can certainly believe in right and wrong and not see anything wrong at all with what he's doing.

Come on. Everyone and their grandmother has a fetish or five. And there's nothing wrong with it at all, if you're having fun it's all good.

[KukriKhan]

You can certainly believe in right and wrong and not see anything wrong at all with what he's doing.

Come on. Everyone and their grandmother has a fetish or five. And there's nothing wrong with it at all, if you're having fun it's all good.

So sayeth most teens and twenty-somethings. Something changes around 26-30 years old; having kids maybe. Whatever it is, folks get more judgmental of other folks' behavior, and start seeing aberrations/fethishes, etc. as morally deleterious and/or threatening to their child-rearing efforts.

A "dirty old man" may be harmless to others as long as he keeps his "dirty" to himself. But he's still a dirty old man.

[Adrian II]

You can legally do these things but that doesn't mean that they have to be accepted by the hearts of men and women if you are found out.

McGruff, we all know what you mean. Honestly, we do. Lying to your spouse is bad - in most cases, not all. If you love a woman dearly like you apparently love your own - and with every reason, judging by the great pictures you posted on your profile page - then it IS bad to betray her and lie to her. No doubt about it.

But there is lying and lying. Mosley has admitted that he lied to his wife about his sexual activities, and stated that their exposure by the paper was very painful to his family as well as himself. Now something (experience, knowledge of other peoples' affairs) tells me that his wife would have preferred him to keep lying about them and keep them quiet as well, so she wouldn't have to confront this sort of information either in private or in public. And you know what? Despite all this they can still love each other, their sexual attraction may have been over for years or even decades, and they could still be faithful in all matters that are truly important to them. More than a few great minds have lived such lives, and more than a few marriages of convenience have survived because the partners conveniently looked the other way now and then.

What it comes down to, and what I and other posters are trying to convey to you, is that there are obviously criteria for good and bad, but that we can not possibly know if and how they apply in some else's intimate life. It is not you business, nor our business or the public's business to decide what is right or wrong in other peoples' private affairs.

[Tribesman]

If you find them out I would appreciate your guidance in eliminating them rather than condonement.

Well Tuff have you considered ECT to cure you of your vices ?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Well Tuff have you considered ECT to cure you of your vices ?

Is that the reformed gay thing? No i don't need that. I'm totally happy being a full blown gay.

I watch way too much internet porn, smoke cigarettes some times (the only thing I outright lie to my lady about). I bite my nails to an abnormally bloody extent. I am violently wrathful and bloodthirsty over minor transgressions. If I'm doing things that hurt me, however vaguely and serve only hedonistic interests - I would appreciate it if others were to help me reform. I essentially view the opinions of some in this threat to be a positive judgment of vice and of no use to people who attempt to be better in their lives.

[English assassin]

it's weird yes but I shave my privates because it makes me feel like a pornstar.

Way....too....much....information

I would appreciate it if others were to help me reform. I essentially view the opinions of some in this threat to be a positive judgment of vice and of no use to people who attempt to be better in their lives.

Yes, but Max wasn't trying to be "better". So by what right should I have an opinion on his habits? It would be different if he was an old mate, and said he had this unfortunate thing for spanking and would I help him?

Umm, wait, you know what I meant.

Its not a question of being in favour of spanking, just not really regarding it as anyone's business but his.

On a related topic of who comes out of this as less trustworthy, according to the Guardian today the NoW admitted in evidence that they paid the prostitute less that half what they promised her for the story. So in terms of business ethics its Spankers 1, Gentlemen of the press nil.

[Adrian II]

On a related topic of who comes out of this as less trustworthy, according to the Guardian today the NoW admitted in evidence that they paid the prostitute less that half what they promised her for the story. So in terms of business ethics its Spankers 1, Gentlemen of the press nil.

Now it's my turn to say I like your style. More precisely, your business angle.

It transpires that the prostitutes were payed £ 2500 between the five of them for the entire session, which boils down to £ 100 an hour. NO hooker EVER accepts a special assignment of this kind with a man of Mosley's position and income for that sort of money.

Now what does that tell us?

It says to me that on that day, with this particular client, they expected to be paid an additional fee by another source...

[Tribesman]

Ah but Adrian , you miss out on that Max paid for the rent and upkeep of the basement .

[Adrian II]

Ah but Adrian , you miss out on that Max paid for the rent and upkeep of the basement .

Oh alright. And I may have been be mixing up my euro's and pounds a bit here. An informed source (yes, they exist in this business) tells me that 100 quid an hour should just about cover for the average Fräulein Helga in London.

I'll find my angle yet...

[Tribesman]

I'll find my angle yet...

The angle might revolve around if Ecclestone got annoyed that not only was Max bringing whores to the races on expenses but was also paying for the upkeep of a brothel out of Federation money .

[Adrian II]

The angle might revolve around if Ecclestone got annoyed that not only was Max bringing whores to the races on expenses but was also paying for the upkeep of a brothel out of Federation money .

Nah, like I wrote in #34 he and Mosley apparently fell out over serious issues, and Ecclestone isn't alone in hating Mosley's guts. First there was the matter of the $100 million fine exacted from McLaren by the FIA because of the alleged espionage of McLaren against Ferrari. Then there was the controversial FIA decision to freeze engine development for ten years, a measure (ostensibly) intended to keep down production costs and allow smaller, less well-funded competitors to enter F1 racing and take on the big five or six. It seems the big five or six, represented by Ecclestone, were not happy...

[Tribesman]

Ah but Adrian when they fall out over a big issue its easy to get a small issue start it rolling and watch it gather pace .
Its like when someone pisses you off at work , nowadays you cannot just beat the crap out of them and be done with it , but one phone call over one small infraction can set the ball rolling and before they know it they are having to leave the country in a hurry and the government has siezed all their assets .

[Adrian II]

Ah but Adrian when they fall out over a big issue its easy to get a small issue start it rolling and watch it gather pace .
Its like when someone pisses you off at work , nowadays you cannot just beat the crap out of them and be done with it , but one phone call over one small infraction can set the ball rolling and before they know it they are having to leave the country in a hurry and the government has siezed all their assets .

Well yeah, but it's hard to figure out who did what to whom with this bunch of corrupt pasha's. Anyway there is more to Fräulein Helga than meets the camera eye.

The Times appears to be on to something with the Ecclestone angle, and it seems the F1 forums have been awash with gossip since December last year about their fall-out.

There is also a suggestion that one of Mosley's decisions angered The Sun because he blocked a car in which they (or Murdoch) had invested a lot of money or something.

[English assassin]

It transpires that the prostitutes were payed £ 2500 between the five of them for the entire session, which boils down to £ 100 an hour. NO hooker EVER accepts a special assignment of this kind with a man of Mosley's position and income for that sort of money

You are forgetting these were super efficient German prostitutes. £500 for a session is surely possible.

If they had been French they would have ed off to lunch after the first couple of hours, and then gone on strike in protest at being undercut by cheaper eastern European prostitutes.

[rory_20_uk]

His money, his house, his business. That the paper is trying to get high and mighty after publishing information that a mercenary gave them is probably teh funniest part of the whole tale.

Is next anyone that thinks thoughts that are immoral / perverted / breaking the law?

I have frequently visualised slowly garotting irritating relatives - sometimes even whilst talking to them... And many other things that I'd rather not share. But I do my job well, and that's what matters.