The Brothel - Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

One kill by the puritans and one by the prostitutes it seems.

Are there only two puritans among us?

Each Puritan can choose to kill one person every two nights by sending me a PM.

One kill last night and only one kill this night. This speaks of at least two.

I wonder at their strategy though.
It would be obvious that we would think Andres, Craterus and Ichigo are more or less innocent due to their late arrivals.
The game should have been balanced before they joined and by not removing them, the puritans decrease the suspicious pool pretty fast.

I am going to vote:TevashSzat again. The reason is his very first post. He seemed to be slightly annoyed that the game started with a lynch. And it was also a subtle reprimand of the game host. I can't imagine that a pro-town would be annoyed with the opportunity of getting rid of a Mafioso as the start of the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am going to vote:TevashSzat again. The reason is his very first post. He seemed to be slightly annoyed that the game started with a lynch. And it was also a subtle reprimand of the game host. I can't imagine that a pro-town would be annoyed with the opportunity of getting rid of a Mafioso as the start of the game.

Have we ever lynched a mafioso or the like on the first day before any kills were posted, ever?

[Craterus]

vote: TevashSzat

This is mostly instinct but Sigurd raises a good point and I'm not sure what else there is to go on so I'd like to hear a little more from Tevash. We'll see how things develop though. I should be back before the phase ends to re-evaluate.

[Sigurd]

Have we ever lynched a mafioso or the like on the first day before any kills were posted, ever?

argumentum ad antiquitatum .

Even if this is true in the past, the chance is still there. And 1 in 20 is still a greater chance than playing the lottery. The luck might strike.
Who knows, maybe we did lynch a mafioso on day 1. I guess the final round with its results will reveal this.

[Andres]

One kill by the puritans and one by the prostitutes it seems.

The kill on Tratorix seems mafia, the second kill is made by "a group of men".

I assumed the prostitutes were female? Does this mean we are trapped in a brothel filled with male prostitutes

I don't know about your preferences guys, but I for one want to get out of this place, the faster the better...

Vote : FactionHeir

[anelious phyros]

The kill on Tratorix seems mafia, the second kill is made by "a group of men".

I assumed the prostitutes were female? Does this mean we are trapped in a brothel filled with male prostitutes

I don't know about your preferences guys, but I for one want to get out of this place, the faster the better...

Vote : FactionHeir

I'm not in this game but i'd just like to point out FactionHeir is already dead Andres.

[seireikhaan]

I'm going to Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane. Don't you usually have to be killed before you go trying to lead the lynch? I smell something fishy.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So Sigurd or Cronos, basically?

I gotta say, I don't really see the reason for the votes on Sigurd. GH's vote was based on GH's past behavior, and I don't see it as a compelling argument. Both GH and Khaan voted for Sigurd and accused him, basically, of being too active. Activity is something we need to see more of right now. Andres's vote was a simple bandwagon.

As for Cronos. he doesn't scream out guilty to me, but for this post:

Unvote: Caius
Vote: FactionHeir

Because he is a bandwaggon.

which was a revenge, bandwagon vote.

So I will vote: Cronos.

CR

[GeneralHankerchief]

Both GH and Khaan voted for Sigurd and accused him, basically, of being too active.

Incorrect. I accused him of a radical change in behavior compared to his past games. He seems much more like the cautious mafioso Sigurd than the "crazy townie" Sigurd.

[Cronos Impera]

Vote: Caius

[Andres]

Vote: Caius

Maybe you should add some reasoning to your vote, you know. After all, you are pretty close to getting lynched.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Caius

Vote: Cronos Impera

Defend yourself man, you’re almost lynched.

[Sigurd]

Ok... We have 10 hours left of this voting period.
Let's get some meat on the bone shall we? The Mafia is in the informed minority and it is imperative that we as townies step up and become informed.

The facts:

There should be at least two groups of prostitutes consisting of 3 to 4 people.
Due to the low number of players we should assume only 3 players in each group.
These two groups can protect or kill, but if they do nothing they each have a 50% chance of surviving an attack.
6 of us are in these two groups.

Then you have the pious Mafiosi.
I would think that the game started with at least 2 of them.
They can each kill one player every two nights. This fits with one kill every night.
Then we got two new players after the game had started.
My initial instinct says that they are innocent as 2 mafiosi could easily win even with the increased amount of players.
Then I am thinking; Omanes mentioned secret roles, and 6 prostitutes having the ability to kill 2 every night or protect 2 every night or do nothing and leaving it hard for the mafia to kill those 6, speaks of a tough game for mafiosi that only can kill every other night.
Ok... maybe there are 3 mafiosi.

The suspects:

I know there might be as many as 6 prostitutes, but I am not going to reveal who I think they are other than not listing them on my suspicion short list.
Craterus or Andres I initially put on the innocent list.
phyros suicided giving up his place to Ichigo. No sane mafioso would give up their place.

That's 3 down.
Beefy strikes me as being a good townie and I put him on the semi-innocent list.
Elite Ferret has been away - might be innocent.
Caius has my back so he is in my good book.
Crazed Rabbit could have nailed the lid of my coffin but didn't ... not in the clear.
Cronos Impera is too noobish and misunderstood the bandwagon thing, I can't see the the guilt yet.
GH only classical townie behavior so far. But not at all in the clear.
I mentioned that shlin got my attention, but I am leaning to him being pro-town. Anything in the lost paragraph you claim Omanes put up that you want to share with us? You only had a 2 minute window to read it before Omanes took it away. Maybe you scolded the host for not putting in something that should have been there? This is what I told Andres, but he never replied in the thread or via pm.
TevashSzat well he is still on my suspicion short list that now has 3 names.
makaikhaan - voted me with the poor excuse of me taking charge of the lynch when I usually do this after being dead. In this game nothing was happening on the townie side, so I took charge.
That leaves Quintus J. Cicero.

Right now I will be bold and say that Tevash, makaikhaan and Quintus are our 3 mafiosi.
If FH was right in his assertion about late players, I would now lean towards putting Andres in there instead of any of the 3 I mentioned.

We know El Diablo and Tratorix was killed by the mafia, while Rythmic was killed by a group of prostitutes. Why Rythmic I wonder?

Any others wanting to give their thoughts?
Let's compare notes.

[Andres]

The Mafia is in the informed minority and it is imperative that we as townies step up and become informed.

Is that why you used pm instead of the thread to try to convince me?

I mentioned that shlin got my attention, but I am leaning to him being pro-town. Anything in the lost paragraph you claim Omanes put up that you want to share with us? You only had a 2 minute window to read it before Omanes took it away. Maybe you scolded the host for not putting in something that should have been there? This is what I told Andres, but he never replied in the thread or via pm.

Check post #192 of this thread.

[seireikhaan]

The kill on Tratorix seems mafia, the second kill is made by "a group of men".

I assumed the prostitutes were female? Does this mean we are trapped in a brothel filled with male prostitutes

I don't know about your preferences guys, but I for one want to get out of this place, the faster the better...

Vote : FactionHeir

FactionHeir was lynched, Andres.

[Andres]

Unvote : FactionHeir

[FactionHeir]

I think Andres did this intentionally to make himself appear innocent as if "he wasn't paying attention so he can't be mafia"

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sigurd, I've argued the exact same thing Tevash did when I was innocent in the past. And, according to the very next post, it wasn't the first time I'd done so either. Expressing annoyance at the game format isn't an indicator for guilt by any means.

Vote: Sigurd

If you don't mind, I'd like to turn the conversation in the direction of your sudden change in behavior.

-edit- Actually, don't take that second link too much to heart. Turns out CA was a bad guy in that game.

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, I've argued the exact same thing Tevash did when I was innocent in the past. And, according to the very next post, it wasn't the first time I'd done so either. Expressing annoyance at the game format isn't an indicator for guilt by any means.

Vote: Sigurd

If you don't mind, I'd like to turn the conversation in the direction of your sudden change in behavior.

-edit- Actually, don't take that second link too much to heart. Turns out CA was a bad guy in that game.

Hehe... Yes and I got caught doing the same to EF in the Star wars mafia.
I am just looking for players that slip up. And we don't have much do we? There is not much discussion going on.
The only two players that have caught my notice is TevashSzat and shlin. The first seemed to gently reprimand the gamehost. Something I have done as mafia before. If you have anything else, please lay it before us for examination.

[TevashSzat]

I am going to vote:TevashSzat again. The reason is his very first post. He seemed to be slightly annoyed that the game started with a lynch. And it was also a subtle reprimand of the game host. I can't imagine that a pro-town would be annoyed with the opportunity of getting rid of a Mafioso as the start of the game.

The thing is that we will have nothing to go on without a lynch and mafia often aren't stupid enough to make themselves suspicious that early and get themselves lynched. We basically had a 1 in 10 chance or so of getting someone scummy, which imo was not too good.

Also, first round lynches tend to not be too logical or well thought out. I remembered this one game where in either the first or second round, someone started a customary early voting on Sasaki or someone like that as a joke/not seriously and then before you know it Sasaki (not positive it was him) was tied to be lynched.

I will Vote:sigurd atm for using poor logic.

Tally:

Sigurd 4 (GH, khaan, Andres, Sigurd)

TevashSzat 2 (Craterus, Sigurd)

[Sigurd]

So.. I am being lynched because I am the only one that actually postulates a candidate for this lynch with any reasoning?
I have not stated that my logic for voting Tevash is strong, But I haven't seen any other players giving any better.

That I have 4 votes because of opening my mouth before being killed, speaks of even poorer logic.

[shlin28]

Oh sure, accuse me What did I do anyway?

Sigurd's reasoning for voting TevashSzat is also a bit off... a game that starts with a day phase creates no useful discussion as there have been no kills... if there are any kills, then at least we can talk about something. Most games start with kills I think because of this.

On the otherhand if I did vote Sigurd I'll be a bandwagonner, so I'll pick on someone else.

Vote: Cronos Impera

Poor reasoning for voting FH, as stated before

[Sigurd]

Oh sure, accuse me What did I do anyway?

Nobody have accused you of anything ... yet.

Ok ... Andres.
I have explained to you via pm and I know you read it at 15:22 [GMT+2] It is now 19:18 [GMT+2]
Why have you not replied or changed your vote?

unvote:TevashSzat, vote: Andres

[Andres]

Nobody have accused you of anything ... yet.

Ok ... Andres.
I have explained to you via pm and I know you read it at 15:22 [GMT+2] It is now 19:18 [GMT+2]
Why have you not replied or changed your vote?

unvote:TevashSzat, vote: Andres

You pm explains why you did not vote a certain player, but it didn't explain why you voted TevashSzat

Something smells fishy about you Sigurd.