New factions?

[ibleedgrenchese]

1. Numbia (A must and possible reforms with Carthage)
2. Pergamon (Pretty much already annouced)
3. Another Iberian Faction (Would be a good mix to the map)
4. Another brit island faction (Suggestion: Caledonion or Goidilic)
5. illyria
6. Scythia/Alans (rival to Sauromatae)
7. Indian faction (lengthen the map a bit)
8. Celtiberians
9. Bosphoran Kingdom (Interesting position and pretty wealthy)
10. Chatii (Madmen tribe be fun to be but very challenging)

or rid of the Konion Legion and divide it into Sparta and Athens the rest become under them or there own rebel cities

Honoruable Mention = Georgian faction, Ethiopia, and Meroe

Plus i believe famous generals should be scripted in like ceaser and Hannibal

[General Appo]

Pergamon (Pretty much already annouced)

Pretty much? How pretty much can it get?

And the scripted generals stuff has already been gone over many times, EB is about simulating alterante history, not just recreating it. If you want that you can watch a documentary.

[dominique]

*ahem* Read the thread (or just any random page of it really) and you´ll see why most of those factions won´t be included. I´m afraid I don´t have the time to give any detailed answers though. Just´d like to add though, that the Getai are Thracians, and that the Thracians as a whole certainly weren´t unified at this time to represent a faction.

Well well well. Ain't that funny?

I guess, writing a suggestion post in a suggestion thread is not what I should have done... I don't get it though. I've read most of the 24 pages of the thread... And I've seen a lot of suggestions. There was some debate to their legitimacy but, still...

I think it's not relevant, since they are suggestions!!!

I´m afraid I don´t have the time to give any detailed answers though.

Fine by me. Since your answer on the Thracians was a little bit thin, I just wonder what other great arguments you could have written to smite down my suggestions?

Just´d like to add though, that the Getai are Thracians, and that the Thracians as a whole certainly weren´t unified at this time to represent a faction.

Now. I'll show you how this is thin.

Yes the Getai/Dacian/Agrianian/Odrysai are all Thracian "tribes". It's true. They weren't unified. It's true.

AS were the KH, the Saba, the Aedui, the Arverni, the Sarmatians, the Sweboz...

The reason under my suggestion was that there has been a political entity in Thracia in all the period covered by EB. Either it's the Odrysian kingdom, the Tylis kingdom, the Sapaiean kingdom, the kingdom of Thracia... It was finally annexed by the Romans in 46, well into Claudius reign. And culturally and politically it was very different in Thrace than in Dacia. No Zalmoxis, to keep it simple.

There is a lot of new faction slots opened by MTW2. It would be a shame if all these slots are taken by hellenic/hellenistic factions. There are already too many, almost half of the factions available. The game is called Europa Barbarorum by Jove!

Most of them would be "kill me please" factions anyway. Ah humbug.

[Ludens]

I guess, writing a suggestion post in a suggestion thread is not what I should have done... I don't get it though. I've read most of the 24 pages of the thread... And I've seen a lot of suggestions. There was some debate to their legitimacy but, still...

You'll understand that after 24 pages we are a bit tired of answering the same suggestions over and over again, though? I had kind of given up posting in these kind of threads since no matter how thorough my explanation was of why, say, the Caledonians wouldn't be included, someone would suggest them again two or three pages further. Especially Meroe, which has been discussed to death.

That said, Tylis is a good suggestion, which I haven't heard before. Not sure how important they were, though. I am not an expert, but did they, or any Thracian kingdom, accomplish much in between the death of Lysimachos and the rise of the Geto-Dacian kingdom?

Yes the Getai/Dacian/Agrianian/Odrysai are all Thracian "tribes". It's true. They weren't unified. It's true.

AS were the KH, the Saba, the Aedui, the Arverni, the Sarmatians, the Sweboz...

Nonsense. The Suebi, Aedui and Averni are historical confederacies. The KH is based on the Cremonidean alliance. The Saba are a single city!

[General Appo]

Ludens pretty much said it all, but I´d just like to add that you said:
"-The Thracians, who could play a beautiful game between the Getai, the Epirotes and the Macedonians. It could be the Celto-thracian kingdom of Tylis, or not."

To me, that sounded like you thought that the Getai weren´t Thracians, a common misbelief, and so I simply said that the Getai were Thracians and that the Thracians at a whole weren´t unified enough to represent a faction. I never said anything about Tylis.

Also, I can not believe that you have read most of the pages of this thread and still suggest Meroe, ´cause I must have seen dozens of explanations by EB team members and other why Meroe will not be in the game.

[Xtiaan72]

I"m really hoping for some city states especially Syracusai. I hope some of the factions are small because they are so much fun for experienced players and would be a blast to role-play/AAR.

But I know the EB team will make excellent choices in all their infinite wisdom!

[Atraphoenix]

thracians were also a good addition, berbers and numidia of course also... more germenic tribes , illirians....

[Connacht]

The factions I thought that would be nice to add in a new version of EB, the first times I was playing it, were/are:

1 - Pergamon (announced for EB2, yeah)
2 - Galatians (more people down there in Asia Minor could level the area, although the faction risks to be destroyed soon since it's surrounded everywhere)
3 - an Illyrian confederation or similar if possible (pillow between Romani, Getai and Epeiros, particularly those green guys that always conquer the whole Balcans)
4 - Numidia (I would have mantained them instead of adding Sabaeans... however, they're a must, and they could also form a pillow in North Africa since the Carthaginians expand too much and too soon in the region)
5 - Belgae (pillow between the two Gaul factions and the Sweboz)
6 - Celtiberians (pillow between Lusotannan and the two Gaul factions, maybe also Carthage and Rome if they try to expand in Spain)
7 - Boii (pillow between Sweboz, Getai, Epeiros/Illyrians, Romans and the rest of Central-Eastern Europe)
8 - another Britannic faction, maybe a Goidlic one if Caledonians can't form a faction (so that Casse won't more feel lonely in Britannia)
9 - Reign of Syracuse (it would probably be crushed by Carthaginians and Romans, if not even Epeirotes, but this is historical; then you may say that we shouldn't use a slot for a faction that would be historically destroyed by the end of the 3rd century BC, but as a human faction Syracuse probably will be one of the hardest and most fun factions of all)
10 - dunno, maybe another German faction in the East for balancing the area if possible, or a Thracian settlement that can expand in the rest of Thracia (not a whole united federation) and form a pillow between Epeiros/Makedonia and Anatolia, or somebody in Africa like Nubians or Ethiopians or whichever else you want
11 - Alien emerging faction that lands somewhere in the map with laser troopers, plasma tanks, photon torpodoes launchers and headhurling giant flaming pig riders with lorica segmentata.

[Che Roriniho]

The problem with Meroe is that their unit selection would be very poor, and they would be quickly dominated by the Ptolemies. Not a very good choice for game balance.

DAMN! I've just spent the past hour looking for info so I can do a nice Drawing to give Foot and his teams some Idea's. Damn. If they were to be included, it would be similar to the 'Ancient' Egyptians, ie, blue and gold head-dresses for the Generals, that sort of thing.

Foot, or whoever, if you want me to do one, just PM me.

[Tellos Athenaios]

11 - Alien emerging faction that lands somewhere in the map with laser troopers, plasma tanks, photon torpodoes launchers and headhurling giant flaming pig riders with lorica segmentata.

Huh? "Give me a typical fan-made Bartix", you say? You forgot: the Squirrels!

[Connacht]

Huh? "Give me a typical fan-made Bartix", you say? You forgot: the Squirrels!

Oh my rotfl, I don't know what you are talking about, so I've just searched infos about this "Bartix" and what I found is this amazing topic...

[General Appo]

DAMN! I've just spent the past hour looking for info so I can do a nice Drawing to give Foot and his teams some Idea's. Damn. If they were to be included, it would be similar to the 'Ancient' Egyptians, ie, blue and gold head-dresses for the Generals, that sort of thing.

Foot, or whoever, if you want me to do one, just PM me.

Seeing as Foot has said maybe 49 times that Meroe won´t be in the game no matter freaking what (well, unless CA releases an engine patch that increases the number of culture slots to 40 and the faction ones to 278) I´d say that it would be kinda pointless.

[Xtiaan72]

The factions I thought that would be nice to add in a new version of EB, the first times I was playing it, were/are:

1 - Pergamon (announced for EB2, yeah)
2 - Galatians (more people down there in Asia Minor could level the area, although the faction risks to be destroyed soon since it's surrounded everywhere)
3 - an Illyrian confederation or similar if possible (pillow between Romani, Getai and Epeiros, particularly those green guys that always conquer the whole Balcans)
4 - Numidia (I would have mantained them instead of adding Sabaeans... however, they're a must, and they could also form a pillow in North Africa since the Carthaginians expand too much and too soon in the region)
5 - Belgae (pillow between the two Gaul factions and the Sweboz)
6 - Celtiberians (pillow between Lusotannan and the two Gaul factions, maybe also Carthage and Rome if they try to expand in Spain)
7 - Boii (pillow between Sweboz, Getai, Epeiros/Illyrians, Romans and the rest of Central-Eastern Europe)
8 - another Britannic faction, maybe a Goidlic one if Caledonians can't form a faction (so that Casse won't more feel lonely in Britannia)
9 - Reign of Syracuse (it would probably be crushed by Carthaginians and Romans, if not even Epeirotes, but this is historical; then you may say that we shouldn't use a slot for a faction that would be historically destroyed by the end of the 3rd century BC, but as a human faction Syracuse probably will be one of the hardest and most fun factions of all)
10 - dunno, maybe another German faction in the East for balancing the area if possible, or a Thracian settlement that can expand in the rest of Thracia (not a whole united federation) and form a pillow between Epeiros/Makedonia and Anatolia, or somebody in Africa like Nubians or Ethiopians or whichever else you want
11 - Alien emerging faction that lands somewhere in the map with laser troopers, plasma tanks, photon torpodoes launchers and headhurling giant flaming pig riders with lorica segmentata.

Totally agree with you about Syracuse... It would be my first choice to play if it's in the new version....I love that story about Archemedes and "The Claw"... They inspire the imagination... The defense of Syracuse was like " The Alamo" of the ancient world. Plus a lot more is known about them than some of these other factions...

But the sad truth is that they are already in or they aren't in at all!

[General Appo]

I believe it has been said that Syrakousai will no be a stand-alone faction. Sorry guys.

[Hax]

It's a shame indeed. However, the might of Syrakuse was a former shadow of itself, especially after the death of Agathokles.

[Xtiaan72]

I believe it has been said that Syrakousai will no be a stand-alone faction. Sorry guys.

that is indeed a shame....But perhaps a mimi-mod can be worked out to swap Syracuse for another faction if a player likes...For players that are into the Punic Wars and like playing on that part of the map ( central med, Greece)

When you say "stand alone" does that mean that it may be included as non-playable faction?

[Hax]

All factions will be playable, I believe they have stated that. I could be unsure, but I believe that MAA has also said one slot might be reserved for a scripting faction -shrug-.

[Ludens]

All factions will be playable, I believe they have stated that. I could be unsure, but I believe that MAA has also said one slot might be reserved for a scripting faction -shrug-.

Correct on both counts.

[Xtiaan72]

Noobie question but what does scripting faction mean?

[General Appo]

I don´t know the details but in EB1 after the inclusion of the Saba whom occupied the Roman Senate´s faction slot, certain scrips from some reason just didn´t work anymore, such as the one about Alexander´s Tomb, Baktria breaking away and I believe the Anabasis.

[Xtiaan72]

Ahhh. So the equivalent in MW2 would be using the papal faction as the "scripting faction" no doubt?

[Ricardo the Patriot]

My top hope is for a Bosporan faction, because of the interesting position and mix of Hellenic and Steppe culture.

One of those Greek cities in Iberia might be interesting too.

[Captain Trek]

One of those Greek cities in Iberia might be interesting too.

Huh?

[Ludens]

Huh?

Emporion and Saguntum (the port of Arsé) where Greek colonies founded by Massalia. It has been suggested they could be turned into one faction, a la the Koinon Hellenon. However, an EB member stated in this very thread that they weren't very close. When Massalia declared war on Carthage, its colonies didn't bother to send aid. In addition, these communities were rather dependent on their Iberian/Gallic neighbours, and were more traders than world conquerors.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

thats true.

If an Iberian (Iberian peninsula, that is, not caucasian Iberia) faction is indeed to be added, I think some Celtiberian tribe, for instance the Arevaci, would make more sense. Especially considering the problems they caused for the romans during their campains in Iberia. The iberian peninsula was full of warlike native tribes, but the greek influence was primarily ristricted to the costal areas.

[Majd il-Romani]

I personally want to see:

the scythians to counter the Sarmatians
bastarnae if possible, popluate the NE map a bit more
a Germanic tribe to rival Sweboz, possiby Teutons
a british tribe to counter casse
an Irish tribe (or maybe even 2!) to fight over Hibernia
Another Arbian tribe to rival the Sabeans OR the Nabataean kingdom
The Mauryan Indian Empire. kinda like Parthia in vanila Rome, way at the edge of the map
an celt-Iberian faction to rival Lusitanians
an Ilyrian Faction OR maybe Pergamon
the 2 Numidian Kingdoms
the Belgae

allof these factions would definatley balance out various regions and make EB another 100x more addicting than it already is

[Meroveous]

Which new factions would you like to see in E.B?

I would really like to see the Yuezhi/Wusun as a faction. The idea of Steppe nomads with a culture that is closely related in language and dress to the ancient Celts and ancient Greeks would be an interesting addition.

[Ludens]

I would really like to see the Yuezhi/Wusun as a faction. The idea of Steppe nomads with a culture that is closely related in language and dress to the ancient Celts and ancient Greeks would be an interesting addition.

The Yuezhi were one of the original factions in EB1 open beta, but where quickly replaced by the Saka. The problem was that they possibly weren't on EB's map at the starting date (although this is debatable) and in any case only became interested in the EB area a century or so later. The EB team has stated repeatedly that there will be no emerging factions, so they most likely won't be in EB2.

It's a pity, because I think they would have made a nice addition, but I can see where they are coming from. As for their relations to the Celts, I don't think I am qualified to comment.

[Ibrahim]

I personally want to see:

the scythians to counter the Sarmatians
bastarnae if possible, popluate the NE map a bit more
a Germanic tribe to rival Sweboz, possiby Teutons
a british tribe to counter casse
an Irish tribe (or maybe even 2!) to fight over Hibernia
Another Arbian tribe to rival the Sabeans OR the Nabataean kingdom
The Mauryan Indian Empire. kinda like Parthia in vanila Rome, way at the edge of the map
an celt-Iberian faction to rival Lusitanians
an Ilyrian Faction OR maybe Pergamon
the 2 Numidian Kingdoms
the Belgae

allof these factions would definatley balance out various regions and make EB another 100x more addicting than it already is

1-they are using the same provinces (almost), as in EB1-so the irish factions aren't a particularily good idea.
2-and Maurya would hardly show in EB2-you would have to extend the map east 9the EB team was very explicit IIRC; same map, bigger scale)
3-pergamon is already in, so no need for the maybe...
4-To my knowlege, the Cimbri & teutones were apparently celtic(which is strange, but not entirely impossible)

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[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Hmmm...

Then what about Cappadocia?
If I'm not mistaken, Ariarathes made Cappadocia an autonomous state sometime around 270 b.C.
They were involved in the affair of Asia minor to some extent, but I am not sure to what extent they had an army that would be able to do anything, really.
They were under seleucid rule in 272, though, so it might not be such a good Idea, but then again, so were the Bactrians. Anyway, it would be interesting if someone knew a bit more about them.