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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post

    Georgia put 2000 of its dudes on the line in Iraq and is being promised NATO membership discussion. To let them fry would be despicable.
    So, should the Georgian army be allowed to complete the ethnic cleansing of South Ossetia they began in 1991?
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    Link with video (though lots of it appears to be self-propelled artillery like the 2S3 Akatsiya instead of tanks as advertised)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Interesting , Israel has told Russia that it is only selling defensive weapons to Georgia and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
    Russia responds by saying it is only selling defensive weapons to Iran and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
    Funny stuff eh .
    Business as usual. Everyone knows they're lying, and everyone knows what they're actually doing. But if they said what they're actually doing, they would have an international outcry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat View Post
    Strike fast, strike hard. Inflict as many casualties as possible. Maybe we should create a polygot mercenary force to help them.
    Why? We have two breakaway countries. As it seems right now, Georgia has just attacked one of these countries, and the other country and Russia came to the aid of that country.
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    Wow!...This happened really fast. In my personal opinion(and I'm no expert in the Russian world of Politics), but I'd say let them go at it. If it means no war with Russia or a World War Three in general. Then good. There is no point in escalating into a conventional war with a nuclear power over a little meaningless province. Yes, it's horrible that civilians, soldiers are probably being killed as we speak, but if it mean thousands or millions more are spared from being drawn into this conflict then so be it. Lets hope that they keep it to South Ossetia and not spread the fighting to the rest of Georgia, though, if Georgia mobilizes and calls up more troops, then that might happen.

    Russia "suppressed" Georgia fire in South Ossetia

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian soldiers now in the South Ossetian capital say their artillery has begun firing at Georgian forces - the first confirmed engagement between the two countries' troops, Russian agencies reported.

    "Georgian troop positions firing on Tskhinvali and peacekeepers were suppressed by artillery fire and tank units of the 58th Army, which are outside the capital of South Ossetia," Russian army Colonel Igor Konashenkov, television channel Vesti-24 quoted him as saying.
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    IrishArmenian, where are you when we need Caucasian politics explained???

    EMFM: The opening picture is of T-80s with reactive armor, followed by a rolling clip of the self-propelled artillery and what look like BMDs (or a similar model).

    Why? We have two breakaway countries. As it seems right now, Georgia has just attacked one of these countries, and the other country and Russia came to the aid of that country.
    The two 'countries' mentioned, Abkanaz (or something similar) and Southern Ossetia are regions that are under Georgian control. One region, specifically Southern Ossetia, agreed to a ceasefire, but then attacked Georgian forces. Now Russian 'peacekeepers' are rolling in with the heavy stuff, protecting 'Russian' civilians, attacking Georgian troops, and supporting an insurrectionist movement. Abkanaz rebels have been moving in to assist, but to my knowledge, Georgia still remains in control.

    As such, Georgia can either
    1. Play dead and let Ossetia be overrun by Russian peacekeepers, who will probably stay for some time.
    2. Fight back hard and fast, driving back Rebel and Russian forces, fighting them off until outside intervention.
    3. Forget about the two provinces, and let bygones be bygones.

    Georgia now is at a turning point. They can either continue the battles against Russia, or they can stop. It's going to be interesting to see if the Russians can get to Atlanta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    I'd rather have WW3 happen now than in 10-20 years. Anybody else?
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    I'm pretty ignorant on the entire Caucasus, but I'd pick option #3 outlined in Marshall Murat's post. Clinging on to regions that don't want you is:
    A) immoral
    B) usually not worth it, anyway
    Plus it seems rather far fetched to assume a country like Georgia could take and keep a region that wants to be part of Russia and wich Russia is willing to defend if necessary.

    Does anyone know how the south Ossetians came to being Russian citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenring View Post
    Does anyone know how the south Ossetians came to being Russian citizens?
    As far as I know, Russia basically gave those Ossetians who wanted it a Russian pasport. Makes for an excellent casus belli now.

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    Like people in East Karelia were Russian Citizens in 1938 (roll eyes).

    I think it's Russian citizens living in Georgia (KGB plants???) who work there, and some have been killed (perhaps justly, maybe injustly, who knows?). SO Russia has responded like the Americans did in Latin America, Brits in India and Africa.
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    Russian forces exchange heavy fire with Georgians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat View Post
    EMFM: The opening picture is of T-80s with reactive armor, followed by a rolling clip of the self-propelled artillery and what look like BMDs (or a similar model).
    Yes, I know, it's just a small gripe I have with the news service..."Video of Russian tanks rolling in to South Ossetia"...well, partially, but the video is mostly 2S3 Akatsiyas, BMDs, and BMPs. Anyways, moving on.

    The two 'countries' mentioned, Abkanaz (or something similar) and Southern Ossetia are regions that are under Georgian control. One region, specifically Southern Ossetia, agreed to a ceasefire, but then attacked Georgian forces.
    That's actually not true. Firstly, South Ossetia is partly under Georgian control. Secondly, Georgia did break the ceasefire, as outlined in the article. They admit having done so.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    The head of Georgian peacekeepers in South Ossetia said the operation was intended to "restore constitutional order" to the region.
    The Georgians launched an operation after a ceasefire had been agreed to.

    2. Fight back hard and fast, driving back Rebel and Russian forces, fighting them off until outside intervention.
    If anyone intervenes, they will be a fool to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenring View Post
    Does anyone know how the south Ossetians came to being Russian citizens?
    Not sure, though I suspect the North Ossetians and the close relations the South Ossetians have to Russia must have something to do with it. Besides, it's handy to have a good passport that lets you travel if you're rebelling against the country that issues your other one...
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    When we mettion Russian peacekeepers, are we talking about UN backed peacekeepers or Russian backed troops keeping the peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailman653 View Post
    When we mettion Russian peacekeepers, are we talking about UN backed peacekeepers or Russian backed troops keeping the peace.
    Russian-backed troops keeping Georgians away from a Russian-backed seperatist region.

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    fighting them off until outside intervention.
    When I said 'outside intervention' I can understand how it could be taken as "military intervention". However, I meant intervention by outside groups to prevent further escalation and killing, which might include military intervention, or it could be diplomatic intervention.

    Otherwise, thank you for correcting my mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenring
    Does anyone know how the south Ossetians came to being Russian citizens?
    I'm guessing it was probably done so that Russia would have casus belli against Georgia when the Georgians inevitably tried to retake the region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Link with video (though lots of it appears to be self-propelled artillery like the 2S3 Akatsiya instead of tanks as advertised)
    Thanks! With a few notable exceptions, Russian armor is very awkward looking. I always enjoy seeing it in action, though. Looks like they had those '90's fully decked out for low intensity urban combat.
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    Ideally, Georgia takes its hits and moves on. Who's right and who's wrong here is damned murky - suffice to say that those suffering are South Ossetian civilians, be they Russian or Georgian. If Georgia does decide to put up a serious fight it'll be shown just how toothless NATO is against Russia for all to see - they can't and won't intervene. So I hope it doesn't come to that.
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    So is this a case of appeasement by allowing Russia to absorb two areas? Is it a case of simple peace-keeping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat View Post
    So is this a case of appeasement by allowing Russia to absorb two areas?
    It's more like the Anchluss than the annexation of Czechoslovakia, if you want to compare. To my knowledge, if two countries want to join, it is not our right to stop them. That is up to the people of those nations. If they didn't want to join and Russia forced them, that would be something else altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC} King Jan III Sobieski View Post
    America defends Israel. American troops were training with Georgian troops. Russia defends Iran.

    World War 3, anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    It's more like the Anchluss than the annexation of Czechoslovakia, if you want to compare. To my knowledge, if two countries want to join, it is not our right to stop them. That is up to the people of those nations. If they didn't want to join and Russia forced them, that would be something else altogether.
    Does Georgia still claim ownership over South Ossetia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    Does Georgia still claim ownership over South Ossetia?
    Indeed it does. Does South Ossetia want to be part of Georgia or part of Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Indeed it does. Does South Ossetia want to be part of Georgia or part of Russia?
    It wants to be part of Russia, I believe, but that's not the issue. When you get down to it, it's essentially Russia absorbing a chunk of land at Georgia's expense. It would be more of the Anschluss if South Ossetia was an independent nation and they had agreed to Russian hegemony at the expense of the Allies (in this case, Georgia). This smacks more of the Sudentenland to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    Also there seems to be a trend in calling violent occupational forces "peace keepers". 10 Russian "peace keepers" seem to have been killed earlier this morning as other "peace keepers" bombed bases near Tbilisi...
    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    I just don't understand why they are bombing around Tbilisi. Get a map and see how absurd that is.

    Eh? Are you aware of the fact that it's Georgia attacking in South Ossetia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    This smacks more of the Sudentenland to me.
    Well, South Ossetia maintains more independance than the Sudetenland, so I think somewhere in between is about right. But it's really too bad for Georgia. They can't win by force, and the people in the region they want are rejecting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    Well, South Ossetia maintains more independance than the Sudetenland, so I think somewhere in between is about right. But it's really too bad for Georgia. They can't win by force, and the people in the region they want are rejecting them.
    Indeed.

    Let's hope this is the only WWII comparison that needs to be made.
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    I don't care who started but I would rather support theory that it was Russian side.
    Some months ago Georgia , Azerbeijan and Turkey signed treaty about international gas pipe beetwen Azerbeijan and Turkey - it could break Russian position into Europe.
    But if we have war into Georgia.....

    But I think we all have to agree on one thing : Georgians have eggs - they are not afraid and fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    Let's hope this is the only WWII comparison that needs to be made.
    Let's hope. But Georgia started this current conflict, and if Russia wants to finish it, let them.

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    Georgia did not start this. South Ossetia is Georgian territory in rebellion. Russia should understand this as they would flip out if another nation sent troops into Chechnya after giving Chechen civilians free passports and declaring them citizens of the other country.

    The U.S. would have been pissed if the U.K. declared the Confederacy an off-shoot of the British Empire.

    Russia does not respect Georgian sovereignty and is attempting to get the ball rolling before Georgia enters NATO. This is also one of the many actions they have been taking to spit in the face of the U.S. and E.U. over missile defense. Russia is rapidly entering the fray as a big bad guy in world affairs - Iranian Uranium Program support, enabling of the Sudanese in Darfur, Russian arms supply to Venezuela, resumption of nuclear flights between Russia and Cuba, and now the invasion and annexation of land in a sovereign country.

    They may need to have their noses bloodied very soon. Hopefully Georgia can do that for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    Georgia did not start this. South Ossetia is Georgian territory in rebellion.
    Georgia began an operation against South Ossetia after they agreed to a second ceasefire. Georgia started this round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    They may need to have their noses bloodied very soon. Hopefully Georgia can do that for us.
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