The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Challenge: KukriKhan

We shall see who is the superior Mongol.

[Caius]

Challenge:Andres

We share the name! That's not good.

[Caius]

1 more slots for fighting.

Andres has it better.

[KukriKhan]

Challenge: KukriKhan

We shall see who is the superior Mongol.

And who is some sort of extinct ugly bird. "khaan" indeed.

I welcome our enclosure by the höslur and vébond.

[FactionHeir]

Would someone bother to challenge me?

[Caius]

Would someone bother to challenge me?

I challenged Andres, sorry.

Unless you challenge someone, Caius, for example.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Hate to have to point out this, but has anybody actually read the death description for CA?

... “Who are you?” the man didn’t answer. “I guess I asked wrongly. What do they call you?” the man smiled and answered: “They call me CountArach”. The law speaker looked closely into the man’s eyes. “You have been voted guilty by the rest of the people. Do you have anything to say?” The man stood still and uttered not another word...

..."Very well, I am sorry I have to do this, but it is your law and has been for as long as the first Thing. You need to die so that your blood can pay for the deed done here last night. Blood for blood. It has been your ways since Odin gave you this law”. The man smiled and nodded...

...."Never mind”, said the young law speaker. “Continue with the procedure, I guess you know what to do”. “Yes, I do” said the volunteer executioner. The volunteer walked slowly up to CountArach and stood before him. He leaned over and the crowd knew he was about the whisper the ritual words, but instead he said: “I know who you are old man, this time it is me who wins”. CountArach’s eyes widened and before he could react, the volunteer had pierced the mortal guise of CountArach with a sword and the life force quickly drained from him...

...The crowd cheered and the law speaker asked which Kingdom CountArach did belong to. The men of the kingdoms all looked at each other and shrugged. “You mean to say that no one here knew this guy?” Again the crowd shrugged. “That is odd. We should prepare the pyres and send these men to the worlds beyond”...


...CountArach found himself walking on a fine path towards a large building. The people he met bowed in reverence and looked to the ground. He barely noticed as he pondered the latest event. That executioner at the Thing, was he the one he suspected? If so, Midgard was in dire trouble.

From a tree next to the building he heard the ‘Kra’ from some birds. CountArach smiled. It was after all good to be home.

From my (admittedly little) knowledge of Norse Mythology, I'd have said that we collectively have just killed Odin, one of the most powerful Aesir!

This is based on the fact that he is walking towards a large hall (Valhalla?), which is to be expected and doesn't mean much in itself. However people are bowing down to him, and he thinks, 'Its is good to be home'. I'm fairly sure Odin resided in Valhalla.

Furthermore I remember reading (when I was in primary school, I had an interest in mythology at the time), that Odin was represented by crows or that they were his birds. Something to do with them finding his lost eye, if I remember correctly.

Take this with a pinch of salt as it has been years since I read any of this, but as I said I'm fairly sure of this....

Edit: Having read the passage in more detail I am now sure of my original guess. CA doesn't state his name, only what he is called.

Also when the speaker says; "it has been this way since Odin gave you this law" CA cracks what I take to be an ironic smile.

The executioner states that he knows who he is, and that he will win, I take this to mean that the Jotun couldn't pass up the oppurtunity to murder his main rival, also the wording that Sigurd uses to describe his death, (piercing his mortal guise) indicates immortality.

Finally he wasn't attached to any of the kingdomat the meeting indicating a special role.

Congratultions, men and women of the Kingdoms, we have just executed one of our most powerful allies in the struggle against the Jotun! Now did anybody see which way the young executioner ran, he is our Jotun!

[TinCow]

From my (admittedly little) knowledge of Norse Mythology, I'd have said that we collectively have just killed Odin, one of the most powerful Aesir!

Hmm, you're correct about the description. However, this was CA's reaction:

Wow, did you guys pick wrong? I was just pointing out the irony of my case...

If he was a major pro-town role, I would've expected something that sounded like he cared about his own death a bit more.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

See the above edit, the evidence is pretty convincing, I shall have a bit of a look at some Norse myths and see, but maybe CA didn't want to give away his role, even after death... Shall be back later with confirmation.

[seireikhaan]

And who is some sort of extinct ugly bird. "khaan" indeed.

I welcome our enclosure by the höslur and vébond.

Well played, good sir.



Kev, I think you're chasing up the wrong tree, myself. For one, this is a whole other game from Midgard I, and we don't know exactly how things will work yet. Furthermore, there's the issue that someone could have missed out on the night phase, and come back in time to vote in the day phase. That's just not a decent reason to lynch someone, to be frank.

[Privateerkev]

But mafia were not active much this night either. Sigurd himself posted earlier that he hadn't gotten night PM's yet.

Fact: There was only 1 kill on N1.

Fact: There were two people missing on D1.

Fact: In Midgard 1, if it was down to 1 Jotun, there would only be 1 kill. Otherwise, there were 2 kills.

Fact: As of 4am US CT today, Sigurd said no one had sent night PM's yet.

Fact: According to post history, Traitorix was missing for approximately 12 days. Or at least not posting.

Fact: Motep has been gone off the board since the game started.

These are all facts and they are verifiable and undeniable.

Now, from this, I string together a theory where I admit I do some guesswork.

Theory: I believe Traitorix and/or Motep got Jotun role PM's but were not around on N1, D1, and part of N2. Therefore, them missing caused the remaining Jotun to only get off one kill on N1. Traitorix himself has not denied being Jotun. He only commented that he dies early all the time.

Now, based off these same facts, I am more than open to other theories. Let's hear them...

*edit*

And khaan, my reason for lynching them is far more valid than most reasons given in the first few days of mafia games. And you know that...

[seireikhaan]

But mafia were not active much this night either. Sigurd himself posted earlier that he hadn't gotten night PM's yet.

Fact: There was only 1 kill on N1.

Fact: There were two people missing on D1.

Fact: In Midgard 1, if it was down to 1 Jotun, there would only be 1 kill. Otherwise, there were 2 kills.

Fact: As of 4am US CT today, Sigurd said no one had sent night PM's yet.

Fact: According to post history, Traitorix was missing for approximately 12 days. Or at least not posting.

Fact: Motep has been gone off the board since the game started.

These are all facts and they are verifiable and undeniable.

Now, from this, I string together a theory where I admit I do some guesswork.

Theory: I believe Traitorix and/or Motep got Jotun role PM's but were not around on N1, D1, and part of N2. Therefore, them missing caused the remaining Jotun to only get off one kill on N1. Traitorix himself has not denied being Jotun. He only commented that he dies early all the time.

Now, based off these same facts, I am more than open to other theories. Let's hear them...

*edit*

And khaan, my reason for lynching them is far more valid than most reasons given in the first few days of mafia games. And you know that...

Theories? I like to keep them quiet until night events have been posted.

[Andres]

Theories? I like to keep them quiet until night events have been posted.

Fair enough.

How about using the Holmgang system to our advantage? Do you have better suggestions than mine?

There's no harm in discussing that.

[TinCow]

PK is right about the timing issue on the Holmgang vote. There is no way the town would be organized well enough to ensure that such a vote gets pulled off properly. It essentially would mean that the entire debate on who should challenge who should be conducted within the first 12 hours of the evening. I seriously doubt whether enough people will be online often enough to make that a productive or accurate vote. It would be open to serious tampering by the Jotun.

If this is really going to be done, the best option is simply to vote on it alongside the lynch vote. Simply have every person write three things during the 'vote' phase:
Vote: X
Suspect: Y
Suspect: Z

That way when the voting is done, we will have the vote for Holmgang completed and ready to issue. The town can then tell those two people that we expect them to challenge one another. If they do not challenge each other, we can lynch one of them. We can also lynch someone who challenges when they have not been given permission to do so.

There is, however, a bit of a wrench in this: enforcement. Such a system will only work if people really do believe that they have to obey it or be lynched. The first time someone violates such a self-imposed rule and gets away with it, the entire system will collapse. So, unless we're seriously committed to lynching on the basis of complaince with a vote for Holmgang, then we shouldn't bother with this. I'm undecided at the moment on whether lynching on this basis alone is valuable to us.

[Motep]

Im sorry, the guild has been crashing on me all day...

While I am insulted at PrivateerKev's accusations, I can only say that I dont blame him for suspecting me. (I dont exactly have the best track record in so far as being active...just look at my other games...). At least he is getting something done.

I like Andres' method of holmang, pick two suspects and have them duke it out. If you really suspect them, you can always lynch the survivor on the next day. Our current method is notoriously random and dangerous to the town, despite the fact that it is just soo much fun!

To speak on my behalf, I would have particiapated sooner, but for the fact that I went camping with my Father this weekend, proving myself to be an incompetent fisherman.

[seireikhaan]

Fair enough.

How about using the Holmgang system to our advantage? Do you have better suggestions than mine?

There's no harm in discussing that.

I think TinCow's nailed the problem with it. When it comes right down to it, there's simply no way of enforcing this, to be bluntly honest. There's nothing we can do to actually force the people to issue the challenges, unless we back it up with the threat of lynching. And if we do that, we can potentially hamstring ourselves in the event that other suspects arise.

The only real thing that I think the town can realistically do is to put pressure on each other to stave off the urge to immediately put forth a challenge, and to discuss who's someone who needs to be challenged, and who would be best to challenge them.

[Tratorix]

But mafia were not active much this night either. Sigurd himself posted earlier that he hadn't gotten night PM's yet.

Fact: There was only 1 kill on N1.

Fact: There were two people missing on D1.

Fact: In Midgard 1, if it was down to 1 Jotun, there would only be 1 kill. Otherwise, there were 2 kills.

Fact: As of 4am US CT today, Sigurd said no one had sent night PM's yet.

Fact: According to post history, Traitorix was missing for approximately 12 days. Or at least not posting.

Fact: Motep has been gone off the board since the game started.

These are all facts and they are verifiable and undeniable.

Now, from this, I string together a theory where I admit I do some guesswork.

Theory: I believe Traitorix and/or Motep got Jotun role PM's but were not around on N1, D1, and part of N2. Therefore, them missing caused the remaining Jotun to only get off one kill on N1. Traitorix himself has not denied being Jotun. He only commented that he dies early all the time.

Now, based off these same facts, I am more than open to other theories. Let's hear them...

*edit*

And khaan, my reason for lynching them is far more valid than most reasons given in the first few days of mafia games. And you know that...

I didn't deny being Jotun because that goes without saying. If I had stated that I wasn't Jotun, you would probably be asking why I felt the need to say it. While I can't really dispute any of your facts, I do think its a rather weak case. I haven't posted here in a while, but I have checked the fairly regularly. You seem to be very quickly jumping to conclusions. Coincidences do happen, you know.

[Privateerkev]

I didn't deny being Jotun because that goes without saying. If I had stated that I wasn't Jotun, you would probably be asking why I felt the need to say it. While I can't really dispute any of your facts, I do think its a rather weak case. I haven't posted here in a while, but I have checked the fairly regularly. You seem to be very quickly jumping to conclusions. Coincidences do happen, you know.

Well, no one is putting forth any stronger cases yet. The first couple days of mafia games are usually full of meatballing, randomness, and general distractions.

Now, I have real lynch targets in front of me. I have admitted the holes in my logic. I have stated clearly what the facts are. And I have stated clearly where I am making guesses.

But, it is not even day 2 yet. We don't have much to go on. But what we do know is that for some reason, the Jotun missed a kill last night. That probably wouldn't happen unless Jotun were absent in real life. And the two of you have been absent in real life at the same time that it seems Jotun were absent.

Is my case weak? Yup. But show me a better one. On day 2 we're going to have to lynch someone. It might as well be someone who was absent from the board when it seems that Jotun were absent.