The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[Proletariat]

Yeah, I had dainty apples to pass out instead of hammers. Still catching up, will vote later

[Caius]

Yeah, I had dainty apples to pass out instead of hammers. Still catching up, will vote later

Thats a lie dirty soviet.

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[Husar]

Hmmm...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Protection from Thor doesn't really mean much though. Thor could protect a Jotun and not know it.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

This is a good point to consider. Although would the protection actually bestow any benefits on said Jotun. I recall PK saying that he received a bonus in the Holmgang the following day...

[LittleGrizzly]

Hmm theres reason to suspect a few people so far....

PK has made a fairly convincing case on tratorix and motep, though in fairness this happened to me in one game i missed the first few days and was voted off as a lurker, that doesn't absolve them off guilt just makes me more understaning of thier position.. Moteps retalitory vote was just a stupid idea, probably just a townie annoyed at getting voted for but it is quite a scummy move...

KK seemed eager to challenge, and in his post where he voted for CA he seemed to admit he knew CA couldn't defend himself, and he won the holmgang.. which raises slight suspicion, overall probably not guilty but these 3 things make a fairly convincing case together...

I don't want to rush into it so i will consider for a few hours more before casting my vote..

[KukriKhan]

KK seemed eager to challenge

Uhmm.. I didn't challenge. I WAS challenged. Twice. And have been again. Sigurd deviates from ancient Holmgang rules and allows the challenger the first strike, instead of the one whose honor has been besmirched.

He (Sigurd) did ask in his OP for us to role-play as much as possible, so I've been playing along, trading insult for insult. And the Holmgang writeup alludes to such.

But I guess I'll stop now. Players think we're playing a straight mafia game, not a nuanced Norse legend, wrapped around a mafia game. Fine, then. To business.

Tratorix and Motep: explain, in detail, why you failed to vote, after committing to playing this game. Be warned: A weak answer will likely get you hanged forthwith. Your explanation should include how your dog died just as he was saving your family from destruction in the house burning down while it was rolled over by Soviet (er... Russian) tanks, while you went out for cigarettes to the 7-11.

[naut]

Tratorix and Motep: explain, in detail, why you failed to vote, after committing to playing this game. Be warned: A weak answer will likely get you hanged forthwith. Your explanation should include how your dog died just as he was saving your family from destruction in the house burning down while it was rolled over by Soviet (er... Russian) tanks, while you went out for cigarettes to the 7-11.

Perhaps their longboat sprung a leak?

I'm reserving judgement for a few hours.

[Csargo]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=296

Why Tratorix PK?

[LittleGrizzly]

Fair enough points KK, ill admit i didn't look back to check before i posted that, that does leave the strange post in which you voted for CA but i have seen similar types of posts whilst voting in other games, so overall i would say theres a small amount of suspicion there...

[El Diablo]

Vote Tincow

Simply as he bandwagoned on Motep and then put the "I will probably change this later"

He hasn't (as yet) and thus has gotten in a sly bandwagoner...

(that is if Bandwagoner is an actual word which I doubt).

ED

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

UnFoS: Kukrikhan

Or I retract my Finger of Suspicion. This is what happens when I trust myself to remember and don't go back and reread the thread. My apologies for casting you in that light.
Still not getting the condemnation of CA, although having said that your condemnation of me in Mafia VIII followed a similar pattern.

Tratorix seems to be more worthy of suspicion than Motep imo. Motep is way too careless. Andres and Tincow don't appear to be particularly worthy targets thus far. But I reserve my vote for now.

[Kagemusha]

Am i right that in this list the first ones were the ones who challenged people to Holmgang?

1. GeneralHankerchief vs. Warmaster Horus
2. woad&fangs vs. Husar
3. makaikhaan vs. Kukrikhaan
4. Caius vs. Andres
5. Eliit Tuhkur vs. Privateerkev
6. pevergreen vs. Kukrikhaan

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

This thread is too long

The only "evidence" so far I've managed to pick up has been the bandwagon on Warmaster in round one with no particular reason. Random voting is there, from my perspective anyhow, to provide discussion. Although a lynch is inevitable, there really shouldn't be a ganging up of players against one player like that with no evidence. Somehow, due to this, I'm sure one of them is Jotun. Instinct and the "third on the bandwagon" rule says discovery1. He also hasn't said much either, but then again, neither have I, so I probably can't use that against him.

I also didn't like Motep's aggressive action to Andres' point. Mafia always have a level of desperation when they are under a certain level of pressure. Although I didn't see a lot of that in his post, there was a small element of it, which makes me wary of him. I haven't played along side him for a while though, so I probably am not liable to say whether this is normal of him or not.

For now I:

Vote: discovery1

[Andres]

Vote: Andres

Motep's always acted like this. I think you're going for the easy lynch.

Always? I'm sorry, but it has been ages since I've seen Motep being active in a mafia game. And the posts I quoted have that awfull "neutral, trying to look helpfull" tone in them

[pevergreen]

Always? I'm sorry, but it has been ages since I've seen Motep being active in a mafia game.

Very good point!

Suspect #2: Motep

[Kagemusha]

I dont agree that we dont have anything so far. The first challenge round of Holmgang gave us bunch of suspects. All the players challenging others + Kukri laying an open challenge to anyone, makes them either malicious = wishing to kill another players in order to kill of townies, without shred of evidence against the people they challenged, or unhelpful townies, trying to kill just for fun. These people are at this moment the most suspicious players in the game and thus should be lynched.
Holmgang should be used to reveal high stats of players and possibly flush out Jotuns. Random challenges or seemingly random challenges just hamper the efforts of the town. With this logic, i start from the list i posted before: Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: Tratorix

There isn't much to go on, and I refuse to 'waste' a vote. Based on my prior post and the fact that no argument since has convinced me totally otherwise, I'm going to vote as such.

Omanes makes an interesting point/s: Warmaster was the target of a silly bandwagon, I mean its all well and good to vote randomly but a joke bandwagon, that no-one actually jumped off??? It is questionable at least.

Also Motep does seem rather desperate, however I put this down to the fact that he's actually trying to be semi-active and doesn't want to be lynched early. That said he is certainly suspicious.

Finally before I go to training (must keep fit for Holmgang, will take on anyone who attempts to besmirch my honour... well it had to be said), Kage makes a good point regarding the Holmgang. Random challenges for no good reason should not be tolerated. Suspicion should be the only valid reason for engaging in it, however GH did say that he was in this for the role-play and wanted to be involved in the challenging... A front? maybe but I don't think him worthy of a lynch at this early stage. Also as has been discussed there is no way of policing the Holmgang from a townie orientated perspective, it is a feature that encourages randomness. More importantly it adds atmosphere and fun. Consistantly random challenges should be jumped on, but R1 imo, isn't enough of an excuse.

See you tomorrow.

[TinCow]

Vote Tincow

Simply as he bandwagoned on Motep and then put the "I will probably change this later"

He hasn't (as yet) and thus has gotten in a sly bandwagoner...

I was asleep, I live on the east coast of the US.

I am actually pretty disappointed to wake up to essentially nothing more than when I went to bed. Motep has had enough attention on him so far, but I'm just not convinced by the N1 absence theory, and I don't see much else against him. Given the lack of development in this phase...

Unvote: Motep
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Veteran player who has so far been pretty silent. Speak up, my good fellow.

[naut]

Veteran player [CR] who has so far been pretty silent. Speak up, my good fellow.

Pretty normal from CR I'd say.

The round will probably end while I'm asleep, so I'll have to cast a vote before then, with little to go on.

Vote: scottishranger

Lurker.

[KukriKhan]

...+Kukri laying an open challenge to anyone...

I never did that. I think you may have me confused with that other tall, dark and handsome moderator, Andres, who wrote in #164 on page 6:

Ok, which one of you cowards dares to challenge me?

Why did I vote for CountArach's lynch? The multiple vote-changes was the best evidence available at the time; I waited until 40 minutes before vote-closing time, to give him (CA) a chance to respond, then finally, cast my vote. Regrettably, it seems I was wrong, and helped (accidentally) kill a town-helper. Hindsight, that stuff that's always 20/20. Sorry, CA. Really.

I'd sure like to read a more detailed defense from our 2 N1 vote-laggards. Until something like that appears:

vote: Tratorix

[Proletariat]

Bah, not much to go on still, imo.

I get what you're saying Kage about the willy-nilly first round challenges, but I think it's just as likely these people were trying to have a laugh. I don't think it's likely that the Jotun would make such spectacles of themselves early on.

Vote: Kage mainly due to a random hunch, and I don't really buy his reasoning about people making Holmgang challenges are guilty. They're at least people who were getting a talkative first round going. I would actually vote: abstain this round if it was allowed.

[FactionHeir]

I would actually vote: abstain this round if it was allowed.

Where does it say that it is not?

[Ferret]

scottishranger has been posting elsewhere but I haven't seen him here,

vote:scottishranger

[Warmaster Horus]

I'll vote:Crazed Rabbit too, as a pressure vote for him. And because I've honestly no idea who to vote for.

Can someone do a tally?

[TinCow]

I think this is correct:

Tratorix: 4 (Privateerkev, w&f, Gaius, KukriKhan)
Andres: 2 (Motep, GH)
Crazed Rabbit: 2 (TinCow, Warmaster Horus)
scottishranger: 2 (Rythmic, Eliit Tuhkur)

Motep: 1 (Andres)
KukriKhan: 1 (pevergreen)
Factionheir: 1 (Tratorix)
TinCow: 1 (El Diablo)
discovery1: 1 (Omanes)
GH: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Proletariat)

Not voting: 15 (Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, discovery1, FactionHeir, Fenring, glyphz, Husar, Ichigo, LittleGrizzly, Quintus.J.Cicero, Sarathos, scottishranger, Seamus Fermanagh, shlin28, TevashSzat)

[Husar]

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Well, he is being very analytic and he looks danish.

[Warmaster Horus]

Ah, thanks. I was starting one, and yours looks like what I was going to get.

I'm surprised no one accused Gaius of 3rd on the bandwagon yet. That's what most of Day 1 revolved around...

Edit: what's wrong with being analytic? or Danish for that matter? It seemed to me factions were there just for story purposes.

[TevashSzat]

Okay.....haven't read basically the last 50 posts and don't know if I really want to atm. Anyways, I updated the tally. Will probably read up this afternoon and post any insights I may mor may not get then

Tratorix: 4 (Privateerkev, w&f, Gaius, KukriKhan)
Andres: 2 (Motep, GH)
Crazed Rabbit: 2 (TinCow, Warmaster Horus)
scottishranger: 2 (Rythmic, Eliit Tuhkur)

Motep: 1 (Andres)
KukriKhan: 1 (pevergreen)
Factionheir: 1 (Tratorix)
TinCow: 1 (El Diablo)
discovery1: 1 (Omanes)
GH: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Proletariat)
Gaius: 1 (Husar)

[shlin28]

Vote: PK

Don't trust the person who made all the long analytical whatsits.

Tratorix: 4 (Privateerkev, w&f, Gaius, KukriKhan)
Andres: 2 (Motep, GH)
Crazed Rabbit: 2 (TinCow, Warmaster Horus)
scottishranger: 2 (Rythmic, Eliit Tuhkur)

Motep: 1 (Andres)
KukriKhan: 1 (pevergreen)
Factionheir: 1 (Tratorix)
TinCow: 1 (El Diablo)
discovery1: 1 (Omanes)
GH: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Proletariat)
Gaius: 1 (Husar)
Privateerkev: 1 (shlin28)