The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Always? I'm sorry, but it has been ages since I've seen Motep being active in a mafia game. And the posts I quoted have that awfull "neutral, trying to look helpfull" tone in them

When he does post, he always acts in that manner though.

[Andres]

When he does post, he always acts in that manner though.

Well, sorry for having a bad memory. But I still think his post was scummy, being active is not his usual behaviour (hey, that's what you get if you end up WoG'ed in most games you sign up for: being threatened with a lynch when you start to participate all of the sudden ) and the blatant retaliation vote doesn't help his case either.

I'm not just going for the "easy lynch", I'm going for the guy who behaves different than usual and on top of that casted a blatant retaliation vote and made mafia-like posts.

[Privateerkev]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=296

Why Tratorix PK?

There was only 1 night kill on N1. Sigurd asked for night PM's to be sent in late in N2. This makes me suspect that Jotun are not sending in their PM's on time. Tratorix and Motep were missing from the board at this time. They appeared right before the N2 deadlines were due. There was still only 1 kill on N2 but they could have just withheld their PM's and skipped a kill in order to look innocent.

Neither Tratorix's or Motep's reactions redeemed them in my eyes. I admit the case against them is thin but in my opinion, it is the best we have at this early stage of the game.

[FactionHeir]

Fair enough. I was hoping to withhold voting until we get some more information, but seeing as the deadline is almost here and PK's reasoning makes good sense:

vote:Tratorix

[Seamus Fermanagh]

tratorix and motep were both of concern based upon kev's analysis. Motep's been spoken for, at least enough to break that tie in my mind.

Vote: Tratorix

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Not sure if anybody else has noticed, but TinCow's immediately renunciation of the vote on Motep the moment he is targeted because of it looks fairly scummy from my perspective. His reasoning is perfectly valid, but I really don't like it.

[Privateerkev]

I don't see TC acting different than normal.

But Motep is not off the hook in my mind yet. To me, he is only marginally less suspicious than Tratorix. I say we watch him close and put pressure on him during the next voting phase. We'll see if anyone keeps defending Motep.

But, lets not focus so hard that we let others slip under the radar. That was a mistake we made in Mafia VIII and Kag basically saved us at the last minute. It was also how the town lost in Midgard 1. There was so much fighting between Sasaki, Ichigo, Redleg, and Reenk, that Stig and Alexander just slipped past everyone.

[Husar]

that Stig and Alexander just slipped past everyone.

No they didn't. I was suspicious of Stig for a while, almost challenged him to a Holmgang as well, the reason I let him off the hook was that he and Alexander said they were King and Champion and my investigations seemed to support that. That he was actually the king of the jotuns I didn't know, I thought of them more as three individuals rather than a king and two goons, the town group we had built seemed to agree with me on that analysis.
Oh and Sigurd made my results on them a bit harder because he knew about our big behind the scenes town efforts and didn't want to make it too easy for us. I was mad at him then, but here I am again.
Back then I learned not to trust "evidence" too much, had I gone with my feelings we could've won that game.

[Privateerkev]

No they didn't. I was suspicious of Stig for a while, almost challenged him to a Holmgang as well, the reason I let him off the hook was that he and Alexander said they were King and Champion and my investigations seemed to support that. That he was actually the king of the jotuns I didn't know, I thought of them more as three individuals rather than a king and two goons, the town group we had built seemed to agree with me on that analysis.

Sorry, I only have the thread to go by and I'm not done reading it yet. (Only up to page 43. )

Of course hindsight is 20/20 but it seemed that Stig and Alexander were able to get as far as they did because Loki and a few townies spent dozens of pages just arguing with each other. I've always advocated the use of discussion but most of the Midgard 1 thread is evidence that the wrong kind of "discussion" can hurt the town.

Oh and Sigurd made my results on them a bit harder because he knew about our big behind the scenes town efforts and didn't want to make it too easy for us. I was mad at him then, but here I am again.
Back then I learned not to trust "evidence" too much, had I gone with my feelings we could've won that game.

Yeah I noticed. I guess since private reveals are allowed, he wanted to weight things back in the Jotun's favor so the town didn't have it too easy.

[glyphz]

My first readthrough of the last page and a half didn't reveal a whole lot either, and with CA's (aka 'Supposed-more-likely-to-be-Odin') confusing case still fresh... I Vote: Abstain for the time being, or until I find something worth pursuing before the deadline.

6 votes for: Tratorix
2 votes: Crazed Rabbit
scottishranger
1 vote: Motep
KukriKhan
Factionheir
TinCow
discovery1
GH
Kagemusha
Gaius
Privateerkev
Abstain: glyphz

[Quintus.JC]

At this stage in a large mafia game I doubt anyone has a clear idea who's the Joutuns... apart from the Joutuns themselves. So I abstain my vote for now.

[Privateerkev]

abstaining until later in the voting period is one thing. abstaining the entire voting period of a day phase is another.

I hope we will see those abstains turn to votes before the deadline is over.

[Privateerkev]

Finally got to page 53...

Here is Stig's role PM (he was the Jotun King in Midgard 1.)

As long as you are two or three you will be able to attempt murdering 2 players. Once or if your numbers drop to 1 you will only be able to kill one player.
In your Pm to me you will have to name the Jotun players that will do the killings that night. If you believe you are attempting to kill a God you could write the killing as if it were one kill and name two Jotun doing the killing. You have the option of not submitting a kill or attempting only one kill with one Jotun; all a choice of strategy.

So, if this game is the same, then it seems that one Jotun basically sends the orders for the rest.

The cases against Tratorix and Motep weaken but I don't see better lynch choices right now.

[Csargo]

I'm just going to go with my gut and Vote:PK

[Privateerkev]

This might help with the death write-ups. Got this from this post in Midgard 1.

Valkyries

The valkyries that greet the warriors of men.
I hadn’t planned to put them in to the stories, but as soon as I did I realized that it would be another unbalanced feature. But as you look closely Warluster was greeted by Hel on his death. No horses or blonds mentioned. I also had to update Dutch_guy’s death. Townies without war experience had not been proved in battle and hence did not qualify for Valhalla. War Vets and Champions had proved themselves worthy before coming to Gulating. Even if they died in their sleep they were collected by the Valkyries.

[Tratorix]

Welp, looks like I'm heading for Valhalla earlier than planned. Sorry about this townies, I shouldn't have missed that first day phase. And now, because of that, the Jotun are one step closer to their goal. My apologies.

[FactionHeir]

Care to reveal then?

[Tratorix]

Care to reveal then?

Sure thing.

Eirik Bloodaxe, King of Jorvik (York).

You are the ruler of Jorvik, a carved out kingdom north in England. You are Norwegian by birth and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the rulers of the Norse world to settle a dispute between Harald Bluetooth of Denmark and Haakon Jarl of Norway. You are here to give evidence to the dishonorable union of interests between Denmark and Jomsborg. But you still have a strong feeling about who should rule Norway. It should have been you and not that brat Haakon.

Your survival is important. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.

You have a champion in your retinue. This is Ragnar the Anglo-Saxon, one of your most trusted men.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Remember, the Jotun will be looking for you and will discover that someone took your place.

Your champion is: Twilightblade

Holmgang ability: = 7

There. Of course, you might as well lynch me, since i'm dead now anyway.

[FactionHeir]

unvote:Tratorix, vote: Motep

[GeneralHankerchief]

That was the entire PM, was it?

[Tratorix]

That was the entire PM, was it?

I didn't include the Norse(or whatever it is) writing at the top. Wasn't sure if copying and pasting it would be within the rules.

[Warmaster Horus]

It looks genuine to me, what do you need more?

Of course, getting the other 5 who voted Tratorix to unvote in the next hours is going to be hard enough...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm not talking about the Norse...

[Warmaster Horus]

What were you talking about, then? Something along the lines of:
"And GH is innocent, trust me"?

[Tratorix]

Well, that's all there is to it. I don't know what your looking for, but it isn't in my pm.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If I say it, then the Jotun get an advantage farther down on the road. Right now it's something that separates all non-Jotun from Jotun.

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Tratorix

I would like you to post your entire PM, minus the Norse if you think it's breaking the rules. Otherwise, the vote stays.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, wait a minute. In what position relative to the rest of the text was the Norse? Please be descriptive.

[Tratorix]

Actually, wait a minute. In what position relative to the rest of the text was the Norse? Please be descriptive.

The Norse was just above the Eirik Bloodaxe, King of Jorvik bit. And this is my entire pm.

[FactionHeir]

I'm not sure what you are talking about GH. Even in my PM there is no norse outside of the name my character has.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Bold? Italicized? An uploaded picture?