The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't respond to the points or anything.

[LittleGrizzly]

I really don't think GH is Jotun, his actions have been at best.... unhelpful, but it really would be some kind of crazy suicidal Jotun that would act like GH is acting, his defence of bored townie rings true to me...

[Ferret]

Actually Andres, GH has a really good point, you have been acting very scummy...

[Privateerkev]

But what if it is true that we won't be able to tell a Jotun from the Holmgang? If GH is Jotun, he has basically promised to try to kill an extra townie every single turn. This should not be overlooked guys...

"bored Holmganging" or It-is-there-so-I-am-going-to-use-it-every-turn-because-I-can Holmganging should be looked at just as badly as "joke Holmganging."

[GeneralHankerchief]

You're seriously not going to rake me over the coals because of my Holmgang challenge in Round 1, are you? Because then you'd have to lynch about 10 other people as well. I Holmganged FH this round because at the time, people were saying he was suspicious.

[Privateerkev]

You're seriously not going to rake me over the coals because of my Holmgang challenge in Round 1, are you? Because then you'd have to lynch about 10 other people as well. I Holmganged FH this round because at the time, people were saying he was suspicious.

Sorry GH but your looking mighty suspicious...

And your promise to kill one of us every turn does not do much to endear you to me.

[Andres]

Don't respond to the points or anything.

Oh, the hypocrisy. You took one sentence out of all my posts and immediately attacked me, conveniently ignoring everything else I said.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, the hypocrisy. You took one sentence out of all my posts and immediately attacked me, conveniently ignoring everything else I said.

Don't respond to my points or anything.

[Privateerkev]

A Jotun probably has crazy high Holmgang stats. So, they will probably whoop anyone in Holmgang except a God.

A Jotun knows who the other Jotun are so they don't have to worry about accidently challenging one of their own.

A Jotun probably doesn't have to worry about accidently Holmganging a God since Gods are less likely to challenge. Unlike Jotun, Gods don't want to kill townies.

In Midgard 1, Stig's Holmgang didn't really reveal that he was Jotun.

So if a Jotun can keep their identity hidden, and usually win in Holmgangs, then it is in their interest to challege every turn.

GH's "It is there so I will use it and to hell with what you think" attitude fits this perfectly.

[Andres]

Don't respond to my points or anything.

Same goes for you. You can keep hammering on that as much as you want, the fact still remains that you are the one not responding to my points. Instead of doing so, you chose the attack.

You do realize that, if the town follows this strategy, then whoever challenges me will essentially put themselves on the Jotun's hit list to be whacked at night, right? Right? I think you want everybody with high stats to be drawn out.

Think about it. Andres "believes" I'm Jotun, using his high stats to take me down in Holmgang and discredit me at the same time. The bad guys are sitting pretty, plus they have a shiny new list of high-stat targets to work with for the next few nights.

Ah, but it's the Kings who need to survive. We can afford losing townies with high stats, they are expandable.

Besides, a smart low stat townie can mess your Jotun minds by also joining the challenge spree.

And I don't just "believe" you are Jotun. Instead of reading one sentence, you should have read all other sentences I posted as well. I have pretty good reasons to think you are Jotun scum.

Now, are you going to address my points or will you continue to ignore them?

[GeneralHankerchief]

PK, honestly, just shut up.

You've played in how many big games now? Three? And you were mafia in one of them, right?

I haven't been mafia in over a year. And that's way more than three games. Capo you can make a case for, but that doesn't really count. The last time I was mafia was in Caius's game "Il Padrino". Don't remember it? That's okay, it's buried in the Gameroom. Before that, it was Omanes's first ever large game, The Brotherhood Part I. I was lynched the first round that game. And both games, while large, aren't really remembered by players as a whole compared to, say, Midgard I or Netherworld or Mafia VI. To find the last "big" game I was mafia in, you have to go back to Graffiti Mafia, which took place all the way back in January 2007.

Signing up for game after game and getting townie PM after townie PM gets very old after a while, PK, you just haven't been around long enough to understand yet. Even in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, Myrddraal's game, when there were something like 13 players and 12 special roles, I got the townie PM.

So you'll excuse me if I'm trying to inject some fun and excitement into my Gameroom experience, because Lord knows the hosts and whatever selection systems they used haven't been doing it for me. After all, the first rule of all Mafia games is to have fun. All I want to do is be in a Holmgang, and don't you dare send pitchforks and torches out after me because of that. Don't you dare.

[TinCow]

I would like to again make a general plea to the town not to make any more challenges, or if you absolutely cannot restrain yourself, at least challenge GH. As it stands now, GH will be fighting no matter what happens. If he is the low-level townie that he claims, he will likely lose. That will solve one of our problems. If he wins, we can try and figure out whether it was luck or 1337 Jotun skillz when it is done. Let's just make sure we get a USEFUL Holmgang instead of something that is going to cause more problems.

[Csargo]

Ah, but it's the Kings who need to survive. We can afford losing townies with high stats, they are expandable.

Motep challenged GH, not the other way around. If he wants to take such a big risk then let him. There was what 6 Lords last game? One is dead, and the other wants to risk his life. We've still got four out there somewhere.

[Andres]

PK, honestly, just shut up.

Please, play nice

So you'll excuse me if I'm trying to inject some fun and excitement into my Gameroom experience, because Lord knows the hosts and whatever selection systems they used haven't been doing it for me. After all, the first rule of all Mafia games is to have fun. All I want to do is be in a Holmgang, and don't you dare send pitchforks and torches out after me because of that. Don't you dare.

You mean, having a crowd with pitchforks and torches behind you isn't fun?

We can't lynch you because you didn't get a role in previous games? I haven't been mafia in a large game for ages either (except Capo)...

Sure, you can have fun, but if your "fun" means that you are going to fight Holmgang just for the sake of fighting Holmgangs and in the process killing townies or a King, than at best you're a townie acting like a serial killer and at worst a Jotun trying to get an extra kill...

[Privateerkev]

PK, honestly, just shut up.

Someone sounds hostile...

You've played in how many big games now? Three? And you were mafia in one of them, right?

I haven't been mafia in over a year. And that's way more than three games. Capo you can make a case for, but that doesn't really count. The last time I was mafia was in Caius's game "Il Padrino". Don't remember it? That's okay, it's buried in the Gameroom. Before that, it was Omanes's first ever large game, The Brotherhood Part I. I was lynched the first round that game. And both games, while large, aren't really remembered by players as a whole compared to, say, Midgard I or Netherworld or Mafia VI. To find the last "big" game I was mafia in, you have to go back to Graffiti Mafia, which took place all the way back in January 2007.

Want some cheese with your whine?

Signing up for game after game and getting townie PM after townie PM gets very old after a while, PK, you just haven't been around long enough to understand yet. Even in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, Myrddraal's game, when there were something like 13 players and 12 special roles, I got the townie PM.

So we have to lose townies because your bored?

So you'll excuse me if I'm trying to inject some fun and excitement into my Gameroom experience, because Lord knows the hosts and whatever selection systems they used haven't been doing it for me. After all, the first rule of all Mafia games is to have fun. All I want to do is be in a Holmgang, and don't you dare send pitchforks and torches out after me because of that. Don't you dare.

Sorry GH but your rampant Holmganging threatens the town. Therefore, I will discourage it. And I will encourage your lynching if you continue.

Basically what your saying is the equivalent of, "I should be allowed to kill townies because I get boring roles all the time and I want to have fun killing townies."

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, you can't lynch me just because I want to fight and probably die in a Holmgang.

My rating is 4. I'm not going to be winning any title belts. Just let me fight.

[Privateerkev]

No, you can't lynch me just because I want to fight and probably die in a Holmgang.

I can lynch you for putting more townies at risk. Sorry, but this game is bigger than just one person's desire to Holmgang.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You still don't get it, do you?

[Andres]

No, you can't lynch me just because I want to fight and probably die in a Holmgang.

My rating is 4. I'm not going to be winning any title belts. Just let me fight.

How about we lynch you because you insisted on lynching Tratorix...?

There's that Andres guy who has posted an explanation why we should lynch you because of that... Maybe you should go back and read that as well instead of limiting yourself to reading one sentence.

[Ferret]

Challenge:GH

I don't care if it makes PK think I'm Jotun, holmganging is unique to this game and looks fun.

[Privateerkev]

You still don't get it, do you?

I "get it" just fine. But you simply don't like my stance.

*edit*

Actually ET, watering down the challenges is good for Motep. Keeps him from getting picked. And GH is as good a target as any. Plus, he said he wants to Holmgang...

[GeneralHankerchief]

That one sentence is all I need to see, Andres. It tells me you're trying to draw out the powerful pro-town players.

-edit- No, obviously, you don't get it. Maybe you will after I die.

[Csargo]

I can lynch you for putting more townies at risk. Sorry, but this game is bigger than just one person's desire to Holmgang.

[Andres]

That one sentence is all I need to see, Andres. It tells me you're trying to draw out the powerful pro-town players.

-edit- No, obviously, you don't get it. Maybe you will after I die.

So you keep ignoring the fact that insisting on lynching Tratorix was suspicious?

[woad&fangs]

GH, what does the bolded part of your role PM say?

[Privateerkev]

-edit- No, obviously, you don't get it. Maybe you will after I die.

Well, I am "daring" to send the pitchforks after you for Holmganging. Now, what are you going to do about it? Yell at me to shut up again?

I meant it as calling for a lynch. We use "I will lynch you" and "I will call for your lynching" quite interchangebly. But if you want me to be more specific, I will. If GH insists on thinning out the townie herd with pointless Holmgangs, I will vote for him to be lynched.

Despite all the hostility and harsh language he throws in my direction.

[Csargo]

Just remember what you guys did last time.

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CountArach: 6 (Andres, glyphz, Husar, Kukrikhaan, Privateerkev, Warmaster H )

[GeneralHankerchief]

So you keep ignoring the fact that insisting on lynching Tratorix was suspicious?

I thought he was guilty.

GH, what does the bolded part of your role PM say?

The bolded stuff says "Hankar 'The Chieftain'", my role (war veteran), and 4 (my Holmgang score).

Yell at me to shut up again?

That wasn't yelling, that was an offhand dismissal. When I yell online I use italics and/or exclamation points.

If GH insists on thinning out the townie herd with pointless Holmgangs

Wrong.

Despite all the hostility and harsh language he throws in my direction.

I'm sorry if you consider one offhand dismissal of a situation you clearly don't have a grasp of "harsh language."

[FactionHeir]

woad actually lives?

That aside, with so many challenges on GH, can't that just count as a lynch?

[Privateerkev]

Just remember what you guys did last time.

CA acted wierd. He bounced his vote around a whole lot for weak reasons. On D1, with so little evidence, he seemed like the best lynch choice. This ended up being a major error on our part but at the time it seemed like the best thing to do.

People with power-town roles need to keep in mind that we don't know who they are. So if they act suspicious, they are going to be voted on.