White America will be minority by 2042

[KukriKhan]

"Cablinasian" : (Caucasian (German), Black(Ivorian), (Am.)Indian, Asian(Thai)). That's how this mixed-heritage guy lists his 'race'.



And I don't mind one bit. It is the face of america. In fact, given the shadowy provenance of my mother's side of the family, I feel I can say with an 80% degree of certainty: I too am Cablinasian; translation: "American".

Language? In my opinion, english should be taught in schools, as a pupil-survival tactic at minimum (because the country at-large communicates in it, and likely will for several more generations), and advanced literature for those interested. Many new immigrants learn only rudimentary english, but most encourage their children to become fluent. Every day I deal with "only ten words of english" people with my "only 20 words of spanish" background - we either make ourselves understood with our limited vocabularies and sign language, or: grab a kid. Almost any kid will do, age 5 and up. They clear up any misunderstandings. That's my preferred solution: fall back on the resiliance and adaptability of the young.

Besides, the 'english' spoken here is a far cry from that spoken in England. Demanding it be canonized as an official language here is just silly, and would create another huge boondoggle of a Ministry of Language to enforce any such decree, which we down here in the trenches would ignore, breeding disrespect for law and regulation, and you know where I think that leads...

Affirmative Action? I personally didn't think we, as a nation were quite done yet with that program and its goals (I thought it needed one more 20-year generation), but the people/voters of both my state of birth (Michigan) and state of current residence (California) decided that we were (done). So I grudgingly accept that.

[Strike For The South]

I think we all think pretty much the same thing..well besides PJ but he is the son of immigrants so he could just be adjusting

[Crazed Rabbit]

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the fact was that they were migrant workers.

CR

[Adrian II]

This thread wasn't about race in the first place, and it shouldn't be, okay guys?

I am amazed at the apparent ease with which some Americans are prepared to do away with English as the leading language, if pushed. This while the rest of the world is busy learning English because it is the lingua franca of business and communication, and will be for a long time. It also seems as if they don't care much for the historic and cultural baggage that comes with the English language, as if the two could somehow be neatly separated.

[Tribesman]

Where are those who normally post about Aztlan and the threat to America from the hispanics taking over and making you speak Spanish ?

[PanzerJaeger]

I think we all think pretty much the same thing..well besides PJ but he is the son of immigrants so he could just be adjusting

Err.. I only question their ability to administrate. I'm not sure how abreast you keep yourself of the state of Mexican governance, but I wouldn't call it ideal. Also, my personal experience with black leadership is echoed in countless communities throughout America, including many large cities.

They say this country was built by immigrants of every flavor. That is only correct if you are using the literal meaning of built. This country was planned, engineered, and managed by white Europeans - and it's worked out pretty well for us so far. I'm not sure if many people realize how fragile, intricate and subtle our structure is, or how easily a nation can descend into disarray. Happens all the time, and America is not as special as some think.

I, for one, welcome our new colorful overlords; I just hope they work within our system.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the fact was that they were migrant workers.

Indeed. The real estate opportunities in America are extremely lucrative. My poor mother was forced to learn English to survive at the country club.

[Viking]

As long as English survives.

[Abokasee]

Another reason to teach English as a language in schools, is because most schools abroad teach it as a Second language (Unless theres a significant minority/near to majority ethnic group, like some places in eastern europe with Russians, and various "colonial islands" like tahiti teach French) and its just useful.

[Hosakawa Tito]

This thread wasn't about race in the first place, and it shouldn't be, okay guys?

I am amazed at the apparent ease with which some Americans are prepared to do away with English as the leading language, if pushed. This while the rest of the world is busy learning English because it is the lingua franca of business and communication, and will be for a long time. It also seems as if they don't care much for the historic and cultural baggage that comes with the English language, as if the two could somehow be neatly separated.

I don't see English being replaced as the "official language" in the US anytime soon. When dealing with government agencies, banks, public schools, most businesses etc... those that control/administrate these institutions speak English. The system "works", so where would be the incentive for rapid change? Language does evolve over time, and different cultures can and will add to the US version of English as they have in the past, but the process is a slow one.

The "classical" Spanish I learned in high-school is very different from the Hispanic "street language" spoken in the prisons I have worked. So when the "experts" in this article allude to Spanish or Hispanic language I wonder which particular dialect they are referring to?

[Adrian II]

So when the "experts" in this article allude to Spanish or Hispanic language I wonder which particular dialect they are referring to?

All I know is that Huntington sure ain't street-wise.

[Husar]

Uhm, on the "importance" of the english language, if you say it is wrong to impose english on immigrants, then isn't it wrong as well if the immigrants impose spanish on the natives?
And aren't the immigrants the ones who come to reap the benefits of the natives? Wouldn't it be a show of courtesy and thankfulness to learn the language of the natives in orrder to communicate with them?

I think failing at that or not even wanting it is a show of arrogance, when you come to another country as a guest, you behave like a guest and show courtesy and do not bend the other country to your will and if you are coming illegally you're pretty much an ******* in the first place which does not mean there are no ******* among the natives as well.

The chosen language of those we would call natives in the US now (whose forefathers may have been invaders but I do not blame their children for that) is american and if I went to America to live there I would learn american to talk to Americans and if I went to Mexico to live there I would learn mexican to speak to the natives and if a Mexican goes to America he should learn american or else I will just think he's an arrogant prick, just like I'd be an arrogant prick if I went to America and kept speaking german to Americans.

*if you can say America to the United States of America, I suppose you can say american to their language and once you are there you can also say mexican to the language the Mexicans speak

[rvg]

Uhm, on the "importance" of the english language, if you say it is wrong to impose english on immigrants, then isn't it wrong as well if the immigrants impose spanish on the natives?
And aren't the immigrants the ones who come to reap the benefits of the natives? Wouldn't it be a show of courtesy and thankfulness to learn the language of the natives in orrder to communicate with them?...

Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.

Let me give you an example: for about 2 years or so I hired this team of mexican guys to do landscaping work for me. Out of 5 guys only 1 spoke English, and he was the head honcho of that group. The remaining 4 guys managed to get by without learning a word of English. Now, *who am I to tell them to learn it when they clearly do not *need* it to survive?

Now, when getting U.S. citizenship one must demonstrate the knowledge of English and U.S. history and that's great. Citizenship is serious business, but if some mexicans came here to make a buck and they can do it without speaking English, it does not bother me one bit.

[yesdachi]

Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.

Let me give you an example: for about 2 years or so I hired this team of mexican guys to do landscaping work for me. Out of 5 guys only 1 spoke English, and he was the head honcho of that group. The remaining 4 guys managed to get by without learning a word of English. Now, *who am I to tell them to learn it when they clearly do not *need* it to survive?

Now, when getting U.S. citizenship one must demonstrate the knowledge of English and U.S. history and that's great. Citizenship is serious business, but if some mexicans came here to make a buck and they can do it without speaking English, it does not bother me one bit.

There is more to life than just surviving. These landscapers probably didn’t make squat had no benefits and have little chance of getting a real job and becoming a productive member of society without being able to communicate.

My Bosnian neighbor struggled with the language but his wife caught on fast. She was able to get a nice office job with AC in the summer and heat in the winter, benefits, vacations, etc. he was barley able to hold a job in a factory with the constant threat of layoffs and no temp control or benefits. Eventually he was able to get a better job but he use to joke with me about the most important things for him about America were learning the language and visiting the dentist (he had bad teeth and no dentist back in Bosnia).

Language is important unless you want to be 1 of 4 landscapers that probably live like crap. Personally I don’t want any of my fellow citizens to have to live like a slave to honcho and be stuck doing low paying manual labor until they grow old and die at 40 leaving their kids in poverty.

we are a free country in every sense of the word

that part made me laugh!

[Husar]

Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.

You don't seem to like "the system", does "the system" also take this freedom very-very seriously and who established 2the system" and why would free people need a "the system"?
Your thoughts about survival are very lovely as well, I may have called some people arrogant pricks but that does not mean it would be okay with me to see them suffer greatly or die.

[rvg]

You don't seem to like "the system", does "the system" also take this freedom very-very seriously and who established 2the system" and why would free people need a "the system"?
Your thoughts about survival are very lovely as well, I may have called some people arrogant pricks but that does not mean it would be okay with me to see them suffer greatly or die.

Like the system? No, I don't like the system, I *love* it. It is absolutely the best system in the world. Youre free to do whatever you want and nobody will force you to do anything. Wanna eat? Well, work. Don't wanna work? Then die, that's fine by me, as it is your choice. And no, it does not bother me one bit that someone dies due to their own refusal to work/learn/succeed. Not my problem. America guarantees the equality of *opportunity*, if somebody does not make anything out of their opportunity, it won't make me lose any sleep. Life, Liberty and *Pursuit* of Happiness. Nobody guarantees happiness, only the *pursuit* of it. If you do not pursue it, then you deserve whatever lot your life has thrown at you.

[Veho Nex]

*cough*

[Viking]

Youre free to do whatever you want

[lars573]

This post highlights the major issues that I have with current immigration policies. I'm no bigot - I think Hispanics are great; They tend to be Catholic, they speak a Romance language, they have inexorable ties to Europe and a lively culture.

I don't care if 90% of the nation is hispanic or if we all speak Spanish - as long as the cultural values of freedom, education and safety are respected. I'm an Irish American - English is the language that I speak because I have to, but 2 languages that pull in different directions will lead to division rather than the melting pot.

We need to have some sense about this issue.

It's possible to have 2 languages (one mostly latin and the other mostly Germanic) live side by side. Canada manages. But we have a large native population of both English and French speakers. And many can go most of their life never having to use both.

The melting pot is a bad idea anyway.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Coming from a nation that discusses secession every 5 years...

[rvg]

Why? You have evidence to dispute my claim? Let me re-iterate: you are free to do whatever you want. That is a fact. You can say whatever you want, you can worship whatever you want, you can hate whomever you want, you can succeed, or you can throw your life away. All that Uncle Sam asks is that you do not break the law. When it comes to liberty, America is head and shoulders above everyone else on this entire damn planet. Nobody comes close. Nobody.

[Viking]

All that Uncle Sam asks is that you do not break the law.

Which is what other countries ask their populations to do also. What makes the laws right? Hasn't the law changed up through the years? What used to be illegal is now legal, and perhaps vice versa. You're taking the stance that the U.S. laws contains The absolute truth™ and are not amendable.

You can say whatever you want, you can worship whatever you want, you can hate whomever you want, you can succeed, or you can throw your life away.

Holds true for the entire West. Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.

[rvg]

Holds true for the entire West. Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.

Oh, that's easy. You can deny the Holocaust and join the nazi party. You can own firearms. You can rent and watch "A Clockwork Orange" (banned in the UK), you can listen to Cannibal Corpse (banned in Germany), you can play Leisure Suite Larry on your PC (banned in Australia). The list goes on and on.

When it comes to freedom, *we* are numero UNO.

[Tribesman]

Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.

Thats easy , you cannot eat beef full of certain growth hormones , that is because your country like all others isn't as great as the US
Oh and in your country it is quite probable that you would not be able to make a statement that yours is the bestest most brilliantest ever country ever on this whole planet without people laughing uncontrollably at such arrogance and stupidity

[Viking]

You can deny the Holocaust and join the nazi party. You can own firearms. You can rent and watch "A Clockwork Orange" (banned in the UK), you can listen to Cannibal Corpse (banned in Germany), you can play Leisure Suite Larry on your PC (banned in Australia). The list goes on and on.

When it comes to freedom, *we* are numero UNO.

Are there no games, videos, music or other media that's banned in the U.S? Talking about the utterly crazy stuff.

Oh, and I must add, in this country you're free of being indoctrinated of 'sexual abstinence' on public schools. The choice is that of the students themselves and themselves only, as the education says; but surely, not having a state telling what's morally right is not freedom.

As for your list, I'm not so sure about the nazi party, but the rest should be legal in my own country.

[Tribesman]

Oh, that's easy. You can deny the Holocaust and join the nazi party. You can own firearms. You can rent and watch "A Clockwork Orange" (banned in the UK), you can listen to Cannibal Corpse (banned in Germany), you can play Leisure Suite Larry on your PC (banned in Australia). The list goes on and on.

When it comes to freedom, *we* are numero UNO.

What a pile of crap .
Since when was Clockwork Orange banned in the UK ?
Neither British film versions were banned , the book was never banned or censored
The book was however censored in the US of A until 1986 and an American company banned its own film versions distribution in the UK .
The land of freedom where the country gets into a hissy fit and and media companies are running from federal law suits because some singer showed a bit of nipple for a few seconds

[rvg]

Are there no games, videos, music or other media that's banned in the U.S? Talking about the utterly crazy stuff.

You heard me. *Nothing* is banned. Crazy stuff of course won't be sold to minors, but that's it. Adults are free to get whatever. As far as abstinence goes, it's just one of many types of sex ed going on in U.S. schools. Varies alot state by state.

[rvg]

The land of freedom where the country gets into a hissy fit and and media companies are running from federal law suits because some singer showed a bit of nipple for a few seconds

And rightfully so there's a place for nudity and regular TV isn't it. There plenty of channels that will let you get your freak on, but prime time TV is not the place. America has a place for everything. Wanna bang hookers all day? Go to Nevada. Wanna smoke dope? Go to Cali and tell the first doctor that you're suffering depression from the death of your goldfish. Smoke away. Your freedom to do questionable stuff should not interfere with *my* freedom of being protected from that stuff. When my daughter watches TV I *expect* those channels to be squeaky clean both in terms of language and skin. What happened to Ms Jackson provoked a "hissy fit" not because of her nipple, but because a principle has been violated. Around here, principles matter. Alot. try more smilies next time. Maybe it'll help you make a better point.

[Ronin]

You heard me. *Nothing* is banned. Crazy stuff of course won't be sold to minors, but that's it. Adults are free to get whatever. As far as abstinence goes, it's just one of many types of sex ed going on in U.S. schools. Varies alot state by state.

things might not bet banned by law but companies assure that the more...."extreme" stuff doesn´t make it to the market place.....it might not be the law but the practical effect is the same.

I suggest you watch a documentary called "this movie is not yet rated"....which deals with the behavior of the American movie ratings board and how it basically "bans" some movies from getting a theatrical showing by slapping it with an NC-17 code....no standards are defined for the attribution of this level...and the jury members identities remain secret...very free indeed.....the entire documentary is available for free on Google Video...I suggest you take a look.

as far as free goes....I´ll just say that in my country the elected president is always the person that wins the popular vote of the entire people....unlike some examples I could think off....*cough*electoral college*cough*

[lars573]

Coming from a nation that discusses secession every 5 years...

Actually it's always discussed in that one province. But it's never been the majority opinion. Much like what SFTS said about the Anglo hostility of older generations of Mexican-Americans. Sucession is the opinion of the older generation of French Quebequois.

[KukriKhan]

Gentlemen: let's do a little less prideful chest-beating and america-bashing, and more discussion of the implications of the US's changing demographic - the original topic.