Freedom

**Adrian II** · 08-16-2008, 00:02

I founda list of biggest beer drinkers of the world and the Irish come second. I guess that explains a lot.

**CountArach** · 08-16-2008, 00:20

Originally Posted by Adrian II

I founda list of biggest beer drinkers of the world and the Irish come second. I guess that explains a lot.

Woo! Go Australia! #4! #4!

**Tribesman** · 08-16-2008, 01:04

What thread is this coming from? I'm sure that you are talking about the U.S., but I can't see what the point is. Canada is rated as top tier for their treatment of journalists, but if you say the wrong thing as a private citizen you could be tried for crimes against humanity in some sort of modern inquisition. The rankings that I quoted put the US Freedom level on the same level as most of the West.

Who said this thing that you are incredibly vaguely alluding to?

Ah an explanation is in order
Well someone suggested that their country was head and shoulders above the rest of the world when it came to things like freedom democracy and censorship .
When challenged about the ludicrous claim they were quite adamant that they were right and everyone else was wrong .
The mods suggested starting a new topic to avoid further derailing the america ain't gonna be white topic so here it is .
The pretty wide variety of studies readily and easily available show that the country is by no means above the others and is often a head below them in those categories .

**Adrian II** · 08-16-2008, 01:11

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Ah an explanation is in order
Well someone suggested that their country was head and shoulders above the rest of the world when it came to things like freedom democracy and censorship .
When challenged about the ludicrous claim they were quite adamant that they were right and everyone else was wrong .
The mods suggested starting a new topic to avoid further derailing the america ain't gonna be white topic so here it is .
The pretty wide variety of studies readily and easily available show that the country is by no means above the others and is often a head below them in those categories .

I see.

Well, that poster said American is the freest country according to him.

He didn't say it was the freest country according to some internet site that Tribesman comes up with.

So until further order that poster may have a case. Eh?

**rvg** · 08-16-2008, 01:13

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The pretty wide variety of studies readily and easily available show that the country is by no means above the others and is often a head below them in those categories .

Ummm....no. It actually hasn't proved a thing.

My original claim that U.S. is head and shoulders above the other western nations in terms of freedom.

Your claim was that the U.S. is at best in the top 40.

First link has proved that all western countries qualify as free democracies (something that I never disputed)

Second link is highly questionable and not at all representative of the overall level of freedom.

Long story short, you can go ahead and keep looking.... so far, I am rather unimpressed.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 08-16-2008, 01:17

It depends on what kind of freedom we're talking about. Freedom of the press, freedom to own guns, economic freedom, freedom to vote...

**Adrian II** · 08-16-2008, 01:18

"The poor ranking of the United States (17th) is mainly because of the number of journalists arrested or imprisoned there. Arrests are often because they refuse to reveal their sources in court. Also, since the 11 September attacks, several journalists have been arrested for crossing security lines at some official buildings."

Phoey, America!