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    Default Re: some historical game stuff and question of allying with infidels and archrival

    yes, i know that the mongols were tolerant of religion in their conquered lands, but as they were conquering westward, they ran into the muslims in the 1250s. since the muslims were a major stumbiling block, theyre determined to rid the muslims and allied with the crusaders to destroy them, however ultimately achievely failure, with the mongol defeat in 1260 by egypt, serious halting mongol expansion.

    btw, how could the english and french aly so easily. i thought shadow factons in the short campaign cant ally easily, even in the long camp.

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    Default Re: some historical game stuff and question of allying with infidels and archrival

    I believe "shadow factions" actually only refers to the Roman rebel emergent factions in BI; AFAIK the concept is not used in M2TW. I understand it is a common misconception that it simply means two factions which are programmed to hate each other, or factions whose victory conditions include the other's defeat.

    AFAIK any factions can ally with each other in M2TW, I believe the main thing meant to ensure that England and France go to war and do not ally is the fact that they share a land border (I think AI factions are reluctant to ally with people the share borders with).

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    Quote Originally Posted by venetiangalleyass View Post
    yes, i know that the mongols were tolerant of religion in their conquered lands, but as they were conquering westward, they ran into the muslims in the 1250s. since the muslims were a major stumbiling block, theyre determined to rid the muslims and allied with the crusaders to destroy them, however ultimately achievely failure, with the mongol defeat in 1260 by egypt, serious halting mongol expansion.
    Well actually they didn't hate the muslims they just did what every other emipre would have done ally with someone and destroy the biggest threat for your expansion here being the Muslims. I read that most of the Muslim cities destryed by the mongols was because they "rebelled" not sending tribute to them so then the khans came from the steeps entered killed burned etc. Making As anyother Emipre would do to subjugate the population faster.

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    btw, how could the english and french aly so easily. i thought shadow factons in the short campaign cant ally easily, even in the long camp.
    To my experience they will ally if they have a common fow or have no land border, If whichever factions attacks an other and has no land border the AI will automatically ask for peace even if it was the one that started the invasion. Try it yourself and offer ceasefire it will be very generous for according to the AI standards.

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    Default Re: some historical game stuff and question of allying with infidels and archrival

    Well the Mongols destroyed the Muslim state of Khwarazm in Central Asia, but they didn't particularly hate Muslims, they hated all non-Mongols equally.
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