The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[woad&fangs]

Valhalla, see I told you so

[KukriKhan]

Danish contingient kinda thining out these days; getting a bit lonely in camp. I really wanna find the gnome/dwarf/poisoner.

[pevergreen]

Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned.

I disagree, that is held by a combination of three players. None of them are GH. One challanged me...


Sarathos, I have revealed...

[Craterus]

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king and GH is a well known champion, im inclined to believe both are not lieing about that, although some of thier behaviour has had me wondering..., have both challenged PK who im pretty sure is just a regular townie or some other lowly pro town role, the worst part i think it that this isn't done because he's believed to be Jotun, but because GH had a disagreement with PK so is holding some kind of grudge and well Motep i really haven't got a clue, from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

Thanks for reminding me about this post, Sarathos.

I'm suspicious, Grizz.

Firstly, you would seem to prefer that challenges were used on more active targets, even though this hurts the town. Perhaps hoping that one will die from WoG and another from Holmgang. That would certainly be helpful to the Jotun cause.

Secondly, you say you believe the reveals of both GH and Motep but then say:

from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me

[Husar]

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

for being unusually idle. Usually he keeps analyzing the situation, this time, nothing much.

[Motep]

vote:abstain

I cant think right now...

[TinCow]

Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites

You've been ignored for a long time. A family crisis is a perfectly acceptable reason, but you said yourself that you were back and ready to start posting. So... start posting.

[KukriKhan]

"Nudge" vote:

vote: Seamus Fermanagh

C'mon ol' buddy, give us some of that analytical skill and alacrity.

Unless you're too busy, or tired, or Jotun. :)

[Motep]

Unless there is rule saying Jotun cant attack other Jotun, Craterus is not cleared in my eyes.

Pk is not cleared to me eiter.

[Privateerkev]

In Midgard 1, this question came up. And Sigurd declared that if there is one "mafia family," then they can not attack each other.

This seems to be standard in all mafia games with one "mafia family."

[Craterus]

Unless there is rule saying Jotun cant attack other Jotun, Craterus is not cleared in my eyes.

Pk is not cleared to me eiter.

Are you deliberately skipping this part of the write-up?

"In the Norwegian camp"

Sigurd has revealed my faction, and would you believe it, it's the one I claimed. I'm innocent, I can't believe you're contesting that with a straight face...

The town needs to get its act together and start putting the pressure on real suspects like Seamus, Omanes and LittleGrizzly.

Those are my top three.

[pevergreen]

I would be hesitant on putting pressure on Omanes, as he has said family issues. I can understand, therefore I will defend Omanes until they are resolved.

[Craterus]

Do you know his role?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Long day, will check in tomorrow.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Sorry for my long absence, I was in hospital tripping out on morphein last night (in a ridiculous amount of pain), only to be told this morning that they thought it maybe a very early warning sign of appendicitus, or a virus and that since they didn't know that they would send me home... gives me a lot of confidence in the healthcare system. Luckily the pain has died down sufficiently for me to at least semi-concentrate, but wait til tomorrow for a more lucid opinion.

It is my understanding from the write-up that Prole was Christian, and that Craterus was protected by Thor (if the whole resurrection thing wasn't enough...)

Don't see why everyone is jumping all over PK. Acting as usual, and exactly as I'd expect. On the other hand GH seems to be way to obvious to be Jotun.

What's the go with LG (I didn't see any reason for him to be overly suspicious in thread... but I'm still a bit dodge on all the painkillers that they were giving me...)

Vote: Husar, I had some reason for thinking him suspicious, and he dealt with a war vet pretty easily...

Need to sleep now, will be back tomorrow.

[Sarathos]

Vote:LG

Firstly, you would seem to prefer that challenges were used on more active targets, even though this hurts the town. Perhaps hoping that one will die from WoG and another from Holmgang. That would certainly be helpful to the Jotun cause.
Secondly, you say you believe the reveals of both GH and Motep but then say:

from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me

I agree with Craterus, and I think Motep's role reveal is genuine. Yet you see him as mafia....

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok i realise that paragraph i wrote read a bit strangely, its just my incoherent posting style, let me clarify what i meant (after i go back and figure it out myself)

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king and GH is a well known champion, im inclined to believe both are not lieing about that, although some of thier behaviour has had me wondering..., have both challenged PK who im pretty sure is just a regular townie or some other lowly pro town role, the worst part i think it that this isn't done because he's believed to be Jotun, but because GH had a disagreement with PK so is holding some kind of grudge and well Motep i really haven't got a clue, from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

Basically i was criticising all of the holmgangs, as i agree with PK that they are probably going to hurt the town rather than help it, and they probably aren't a good way to identify mafia.

I meant the least criticism to Sarathos' challenge as at worst he was going to kill a lurker or himself, still not to helpful but not too much of a hinderance, When i go on to talk about Motep i do believe he isn't mafia, what i meant is his actions make him seem like mafia, in other words he's a good guy who is acting as if he was a bad guy, but i still think he's a good guy, and i just think GH and PK's little fued is very unhelpful to the town...

Right now onto the voting (i seem to be stuck in italic format?!) i haven't seen anything too suspicious but i am unsure about Fenring's role pm, basically the questions other players brought up about it are good points, even though he raises a good point or 2 in his defence im going to have to...

Vote Fenring

[naut]

I can't see the town scraping a victory out of this.

[Kralizec]

Grizzly, W&F claimed an identical role PM and he went to Valhalla.

Also, for those of you who think that Kev's been acting bona fide: view this post by pevergreen and Kev's response.

Here you can clearly see that Pever's claimed role (townie) also used the word duel. And it doesn't have runes. Kev does say that he doesn't consider the reveal proof of anything but neither does he scream "forgery". His claim of being a mere mouthpiece for his network can't be verified so I'll disregard it.

Huge FOS on PrivateerKev.

[Privateerkev]

Fenring,

If you've noticed, I've been quiet about you lately. W&F's death write-up basically vindicated you. Or at least, it made the case against you fall apart.

As for my claim of being a mouth-piece, of course it isn't verified. The whole point with me being the mouth-piece is to protect the identity of other people. Them verifying me would make our security measures pointless.

In general,

I'm not sure who to vote for. I've seen no real case against Husar. I would also like Seamus and Omanes to talk more. But they already have pressure votes on them so any more would just be a bandwagon. Not sure why people are voting for LG yet. So he slipped up with something he said. So what? English isn't everyone's first language here.

And I wish we would get back in the habit of doing tallies...

[Andres]

PK, what does your network say about Craterus?

It seems to me that the killer broke Crate's neck, so, how on earth did Craterus manage to survive the latest attack?

Craterus was attacked by the "hulk", a character that didn't appear in the first 3 nights. If this "hulk" is a serial killer and not a Jotun, than Craterus is not confirmed innocent.

[Privateerkev]

It looks like Craterus was protected. I am assuming by Thor. (Since he seems to be the protecting role this game.)

In Midgard 1, attacks on protected targets still had a write-up.

So, if we assume that mafia of the same "family" can not attack each other, then I believe we can assume that Craterus is totally innocent.

*edit*

I didn't think of the SK angle. SK's though usually give some sort of "catch phrase" so you can get a clue from the write-up. Sometimes, SK's are known to "grin" in some games. Games like Taormina for instance. A great game, but sadly lacking of a write-up...

But back to topic, I think one Jotun, for whatever reason, laid low. And now he isn't laying low. Reasons for "laying low" could be; he simply wasn't getting his pm's in on time, he was sitting out in case he got investigated (Sasaki did this all the time), and he was doing another night action (like investigating.)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

Just moved into uni, busy time for me. Most of my .Org efforts are going to be focused on LotR. Hopefully things will calm down in a couple of days and I can get back into this.

[Andres]

It looks like Craterus was protected. I am assuming by Thor. (Since he seems to be the protecting role this game.)

In Midgard 1, attacks on protected targets still had a write-up.

So, if we assume that mafia of the same "family" can not attack each other, then I believe we can assume that Craterus is totally innocent.

Maybe we are reading a different write-up, but it doesn't seem like somebody was protecting Craterus...

The story mentions the "Hulk" and Craterus, nobody else is involved.

[Privateerkev]

Maybe we are reading a different write-up, but it doesn't seem like somebody was protecting Craterus...

The story mentions the "Hulk" and Craterus, nobody else is involved.

In Midgard 1, some of the protections seemed magical. The target would be attacked, would suffer damage, and then would heal or not be hurt.

I seem to remember you being very skeptical of protection write-ups in Midgard 1 as well. Unless we get some other evidence of an SK or multiple mafia families, I'm inclined to think "hulk" is just a Jotun who started killing finally.

[Privateerkev]

Something always bugged me about W&F's writeup but I couldn't put my finger on it until now.

In Midgard 1, Warluster was the only Jotun to get lynched. Here is his writeup (As quoted in the end-game writeup):

As Warluster dies; I’ll quote the text from the lynching: “Warluster was greeted by a sweet woman’s voice and the scent of fresh air: “Welcome strong one, I will take care of you.” Warluster was Trym the strong, a powerful Jotun and he was greeted by Hel into her realm. The townies finally got one of the Jotun and disposed of him. Two to go.

Now, here is W&F's writeup:

W&f dropped to his knees and felt the life force draining between his fingers. The sky darkened and he found himself in complete darkness and barely felt the ground hitting his face.
He was awoken by a sweet voice. “Greetings handsome, I shall take you home to the place of such brave men like you”.

Notice the similarities?

Now; pever, fenring, and w&f all had role pm's with "duel." Perhaps these are the "cover role PM's" Sigurd gave the Jotun?

Also, w&f has been going out of his way to protect Loki and Fenring. In light of this, I think Fenring is deserving of my vote again. I believe w&f went to Hel so trying to use his fate as proof of your own innocence will not work well.

vote: Fenring

tally:

Seamus: 3 (Craterus, Husar, KukriKhan)

Fenring: 2 (LG, PK)

Omanes Alexandrapolites: 1 (TinCow)
Husar: 1 (Curio)
LG: 1 (Sarathos)

abstain: 1 (Motep, GH)

[Kralizec]

So this is your new case against me? Pathetic.

[Privateerkev]

So this is your new case against me? Pathetic.

You sound defensive. Your not in the lead for the lynch. I admit the case is not strong. But I need to vote. I don't think Seamus is deserving of a lynch yet. You on the other hand are trying to base your defense off of a very suspicious write-up.

[woad&fangs]

Brave MEN Kev, Brave MEN

Not only that but it said in the battle that I was a Jomsburgian just like I said.

[Privateerkev]

Brave MEN Kev, Brave MEN

Not only that but it said in the battle that I was a Jomsburgian just like I said.

Still looks suspiciously like Warluster's writeup. No horses. No blond hair. I have looked at every writeup in this game and yours is unique. As for "men" and "Jomsburgian" don't the Jotun take human form here? Which means, they are in our retinue.