OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[deguerra]

before the argument on the Caesar's Armenian Cavalry gets any further, that was my fault.

Igno asked me to move his character. He did not specify to only move his character, but that may well have been his intention. To be honest, it never occurred to me to question whether the unit should be moved as well. I suppose in retrospect its obvious enough that one unit couldn't have been his army, but I really didn't think about it.

[Privateerkev]

before the argument on the Caesar's Armenian Cavalry gets any further, that was my fault.

Igno asked me to move his character. He did not specify to only move his character, but that may well have been his intention. To be honest, it never occurred to me to question whether the unit should be moved as well. I suppose in retrospect its obvious enough that one unit couldn't have been his army, but I really didn't think about it.

I figured it was a mistake so I haven't pushed it OOC. IC however I believe it is entirely appropriate to blame his avatar for the mistake. If you don't want the law broken with your avatar, you need to be careful who you let control him.

[TinCow]

before the argument on the Caesar's Armenian Cavalry gets any further, that was my fault.

Igno asked me to move his character. He did not specify to only move his character, but that may well have been his intention. To be honest, it never occurred to me to question whether the unit should be moved as well. I suppose in retrospect its obvious enough that one unit couldn't have been his army, but I really didn't think about it.

A shame I didn't read this 10 minutes ago. Thank you for clarifying the situation. I want to make it known that intentional rule violations will be dealt with very harshly in the future. Laxity has not served this game well and so it's time to start imposing penalties.

Unintentional rule violations (as with the above) will not be punished, as long as they are not repeated. If they are repeated, they will be considered intentional.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

A shame I didn't read this 10 minutes ago. Thank you for clarifying the situation. I want to make it known that intentional rule violations will be dealt with very harshly in the future. Laxity has not served this game well and so it's time to start imposing penalties.

Unintentional rule violations (as with the above) will not be punished, as long as they are not repeated. If they are repeated, they will be considered intentional.

Can I ask what will be the punishment then?

[TinCow]

I will determine the punishment on a case by case basis. However, depending on the severity of the infraction they may include one or more of the following things:

1) Breaking of all oaths of fealty with a 5 turn penalty on re-swearing, and all the IC consequences that will result from this.
2) Loss of provinces.
3) Suspension from the game.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Thanks TC.
I'm bit smarter now. Hope that I wouldn't break any rules then.

[TinCow]

Again, I don't want to be a hardass, but this game won't work properly if the rules are violated. I really hope no one takes any of this personally, because I like ALL of the players in this game, but I'm the guy in charge and so it's my responsibility to deal with this stuff. I will not impose any penalties without allowing a person to speak in their own defense, but if a rule violation is intentional and/or repeated, I simply HAVE to punish it. I know the rules are complex, so if anyone EVER has any questions about whether something is legal or not, all you need to do is ask me. I will do my best to respond very quickly.

[deguerra]

just for the record, I understand your position, support it fully and thank you for all the hard work and willingness to be the bad guy in situations like these.

edit: me? sucking up to the event-er? never!

[Ferret]

I like ALL of the players in this game

Even me?

And don't worry you're doing great as GM, I think it is good to make your stance on rule violations public, as it makes people more careful about what they do in future, thus minimizing the chance of us breaking the rules in future.

edit: I think pever owns Durazzo

[Northnovas]

Just to clarify from my point and degurra's defence. I moved the cavlary unit at his request when I took the save because it hadn't moved from his save. I did not examine the stack or think there was an issue with the request. Though I am aware now of the rule moving avatas and the SOT. I can't keep abreast of all the rules everytime I am looking at the game. Hell I can't even remember the rank I have or what it involves.

I was unaware of the IC issues or politcal motives of avatars involved. I just followed a simple request from the last save. There is no agenda on my part or I feel on degurra's. There may have been some poor instructions in the initial request made has mentioned and technically should not have been made with the rule regarding avatar movement.

The mentioning of rules being broken should be made to an individual by pm rather then a very wide brush painting a picture that there is something more sinsiter involved when that is far from the truth.

[TinCow]

The mentioning of rules being broken should be made to an individual by pm rather then a very wide brush painting a picture that there is something more sinsiter involved when that is far from the truth.

The responses in here were made because it was brought up in the Magnaura. I have been heavily criticized in the not-so-distant past for doing nothing regarding rule violations, and the way it was initially brought up seemed to indicate that it was once again Igno who had broken a rule. I posted in the Magnaura in an attempt to head off a discussion that I expected to occur on that subject. I also PMed the parties involved. I then read deguerra's post indicating that he had made the move, not Igno, so I quickly back-pedaled, but decided to keep my public stance on rule violations out there just so that people would know that I am going to deal with it properly in the future. My posts were merely intended as information and not criticism of anyone.

Apparently I have once again botched my job as GM. Hopefully I'll get it right at some point in the future, because this is getting demoralizing.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry, I realize my OOC joke in the Senate about us not punishing "rule breakers" OOC, was in bad taste. I didn't think about the fact that there have been some real OOC debate and tension about the issue.

My stance in the Magnaura with this has been IC only. But the OOC joke was in poor taste so I apologize.

[deguerra]

Sorry TC, I should have clarified that sooner.

As for your measures, those seem fine to me. I'll be more careful in the future.