That is advanced egoism, Frag. What reciprocity would you get from jumping in front of a bullet and dying to save a life? Altruism is very real, but not common.Originally Posted by Fragony
Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
That is advanced egoism, Frag. What reciprocity would you get from jumping in front of a bullet and dying to save a life? Altruism is very real, but not common.
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Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
72 virgins, hall of fame, maybe unconciously the survival of the species. Some argue that altruism is actually an advanced sort of egoism, qui pro quo, cash the cheque later. That is not to say that there aren't exceptional individuals, that brittish soldier that throwed himselve on a grenade to save his buddies. But maybe not even him because he cared so deeply about his buddies, even that could be considered egoistic in a twisted sort of way.
Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
Egoism refers to self. If you help others in order to ingratiate yourself - that is advanced egoism. If you kill yourself to save others or benefit in no way - that is altruism. There is a clear distinction.
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-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
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Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
If it is you that cares about others then killing yourself can be a selfish act. Sounds cynical but it really isn't because most don't realise why they are doing it. I donate a lot of money to charity but I really couldn't care less about hunger in africa or hangings in Iran, but I give money anyway, makes me feel good. In the end I do it for myselve.
Ok I am pretty cynical.
Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
Nonsense. Making a conscious decision to die for the sake of someone else is not selfish - that is nonsense.
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-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
What would be a completily unselfish act? If you die because you want others to live it is still something you do because you want something.
Re: Is the Human Race more prone to Altruism or Egoism
But you don't live to benefit from their survival. It is a cynics attempt to minimize selflessness. I understand the attempt to call socially conscious opportunism by what it is, but it is a logical stretch to debase real altruism.
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-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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