The Lunar Whale: A Final Fantasy IV Mafia [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

Err... Caius, you're not in this game. I guess I could put you in it if you want, since it is only the beginning, and there were still 2 slots open.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

I would vote abstain but that's not allowed.

I know private reveal isn't allowed and I know I'm not allowed to quote PMs, but is public reveal allowed?

[Caius]

Err... Caius, you're not in this game. I guess I could put you in it if you want, since it is only the beginning, and there were still 2 slots open.

I am not playing in this game... I fooled everyone!

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I did not realized that...

[Chaotix]

Public reveal is indeed allowed, although it's obviously sometimes not a good idea. But if you want to reveal your character, go ahead.

[glyphz]

If we are going to get into this whole "name sounds evil/dodgy/scummy" I am going to go get my coat now....

Vote glyphz - his name sounds evil(er)




Sorry had to do that.

Mine's more evil you say...

I don't have a vote yet, but a tally will do for now

1 vote:
Aries7s (FH)
FactionHeir (Aries7s)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)

[Quintus.JC]

I am FuSoYa, the guardian of the Lunarians.......

I am revealing myself because surprisingly I have 3 extra lives, 'the strong Lunarian blood flowing in your veins' has made me somewhat into an invincible character. I'm still vulnerable to lynches but the mafia can forget about trying to murder me.

Unless anyone else claims to be FuSoYu then I think everyone can be positive certain that I am not lying.

[Chaotix]

Caius is now in.
He could be town or mafia.

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As the Lunar Whale took off, the heroes inside were already arguing with each other about who they thought was guilty. They did not realize the figure clinging onto the bottom of the spacecraft. The shadowy figure made his way inside of the Lunar Whale, and to everyone's surprise, showed up in the main hall.

[FactionHeir]

Shadowy?

unvote: Aries. vote: Caius

[shlin28]

Vote: Elite Ferret

Your old username sounds cooler.

[Ferret]

It was fun for a time, then everyone started calling me Elite Turkey...

[Quintus.JC]

It was fun for a time, then everyone started calling me Elite Turkey...

Everyone?

[Thermal]

from what i gather on mafia games, the first turn is really hit an' miss
unvote:faction heir
still dont no who to vote for, lynchings a serious matter
and this shadowy figure should explain themselves, an unknown person comes in from no where? my guess is hes a spy, or maybe something worse...

hmmm...caius must be edge or yang by the looks of it, unless choatix changed peoples roles around...?

[glyphz]

Shadowy?

Would that mean he's Edge? Or maybe Yang?
Either way he's a protagonist in the original, but his allegiance is unknown here.

Anyway, I'd like to chat with the 'ladies' here, but ...but I don't know who they are? *sigh*

[Chaotix]

Clarification of the Rules:

Before anyone dies and starts talking, let it be known that the dead cannot post.

[Caius]

I am FuSoYa, the guardian of the Lunarians.......

I am revealing myself because surprisingly I have 3 extra lives, 'the strong Lunarian blood flowing in your veins' has made me somewhat into an invincible character. I'm still vulnerable to lynches but the mafia can forget about trying to murder me.

Unless anyone else claims to be FuSoYu then I think everyone can be positive certain that I am not lying.

Why would you do such a thing?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, let's work this out together, shall we?
______________________________

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Day one: Blind lynch
Night one: murder, vigilante killing

3 dead, 8 remain

______________________ Follow me so far?

Day two: Blind lynch
Night two: murder, vigilante killing (if the vigilante still lives)

6 dead, 5 remain

_______________________ This will happen, most likely. Unless we tie up the votes. DONT tie the votes unless it can kill two suspects on the final night.

Day three: Blind lynch
Night three: murder, vigilante killing (if the vigilante still lives)

9 (most likely) dead, 2 remain.

Victory conditions achieved for town or Mafia, because either Mafia are all dead, or one is left to kill the remaining townie, which means town loses.

We only get three shots at this, unless we accidentally kill the vigilante. And since Quintus claimed he is immune to 3 murders/kills (but not lynchings), it is likely impossible for Mafia to kill Quintus. Only town can kill Quintus, in most likely scenarios. That means either Mafia wants him dead, or he IS the Mafia.

Which means either my reasoning sucks, Chaotix came up with some very exotic rules where normal mafia logic doesn't apply, or Quintus is the Mafia and trying to trick us, or Quintus is town and just pulled a Spartan. Hurting his own team when trying to help them.

In any case, I suggest that he has hurt whichever side he is on, and therefore should be lynched. And unfortunately I should be lynched on night two or three, because I suggested it.


If he is telling the truth, then Mafia wants Quintus dead and only town can deliver it. If he is lying, he must be lynched. If Quintus dies and the game continues, then I have to be lynched or vigilante killed next turn or the turn after to be on the safe side.

I don't suppose it would help town if I tell them I am a townie. Sigh...
I know for sure I am town, but you guys don't. That means if I am wrong, not only am I responsible for bandwagoning an innocent player with a good townie skill, but also responsible for my own lynching, which doesn't help town either.



Still, I can think of NO situation where Quintus' reveal helps town, or even his own side.

IF: Quintus is town:
He just told mafia not to kill him, which would waste their kill. WHY???
He just told town something which would make him seem suspicious, so we kill him. WHY???

IF: Quintus is mafia:
He just said something which makes him appear VERY guilty. WHY???
He told town the ONLY WAY TO KILL HIM is to lynch him. WHY???

IF: Quintus is town, but made an error in revealing:
Then Quintus is hurting town, and is a bad townie, and we need good townies to survive. Lynch.

IF: Quintus is mafia, but made an error in revealing:
Then Quintus is a bad mafia, and he's hurting mafia's side. And a mafia would not intentionally do that. But it helps town to eliminate him. Lynch.

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Is there any case where the reveal helps town?

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Now, here is an exotic idea:

Imagine Quintus is Mafia, but IMMUNE TO LYNCHINGS! He can only be killed by the vigilante, let's say.

Even so, his reveal makes him suspicious and people will vote for him. This will end up with the following result: Either he doesnt die, proving he lied and is therefore scum and can only be killed by the vigilante, or he doesn't die and everyone who voted for him died. Then the vigilante HAS to kill him next turn or else town loses.

Conclusion:
Even in this farfetched scenario, nothing Quintus is doing is helping his own team, and therefore should be lynched by town AND killed by any mafia teammates he has, just to be on the safe side.

And finally I could be on a wild goose chase here, but I think the reasoning holds up.

Vote: Quintus.JC

Sorry, buddy.

And Town, if I am wrong, I'm very sorry.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry for the double post, but am I missing something? Everyone please look at my reasoning, and QJC, feel free to refute. WHY would you do what you did? We have roughly 10 hours to work this out.

[glyphz]

I'm not sure how Quintus.JC's reveal even help the town.
The mafia won't be wasting one night now trying to kill Quintus, since he knows who he is, which renders his ability somewhat useless...
If he's indeed good (a mystery, but no one's challenging his claim to be Fusoya), it'd be a waste lynching him.

Indeed, do you mind telling why you revealed, Quintus?

1 vote:
Caius (FH)
Quintus.JC (AskThePizzaGuy)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)
Elite Ferret (shlin28)

[Askthepizzaguy]

We need to eliminate the very large tie that we have. Someone should add a vote to an existing candidate, or explain why any of those not being voted on are more suspicious than the existing candidates, and why.

1 vote:
Caius (FH)
Quintus.JC (AskThePizzaGuy)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)
Elite Ferret (shlin28)

[glyphz]

If many would agree that we should test Quintus if he's telling the truth (ATPG's suggestion) i'll put my vote on him.
(since this is Rnd 1, and the most random of lynchings ...revealing this early will only attract unwanted attention)

[Askthepizzaguy]

About 8 hours or so to go... too bad everyone is asleep.

I wish day phase was longer. Everyone really needs to see this debate.

[Quintus.JC]

I revealed because I don't want to be lynched...

Okay, maybe I'm a bad townie then, but definitely not a bad mafia. Please don't lynch me, let the vigilante have his go, if I am able to survive his attack then it should prove my innocence, because clearly the mafia wouldn't need 3 lives.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, I don't believe ya. You had no reason to fear a lynch because no one was voting for you, and you have no reason to fear a lynch anyway if you're town. Townies should never fear a lynch, even if they had a super massive uber awesome special ultra cool talent like yours.

Town will survive without you, I am sure.

I'm town and I have uber pwnage hidden talents too but I'm not going to care if town lynches me.

[glyphz]

I revealed because I don't want to be lynched...

Okay, maybe I'm a bad townie then, but definitely not a bad mafia. Please don't lynch me, let the vigilante have his go, if I am able to survive his attack then it should prove my innocence, because clearly the mafia wouldn't need 3 lives.

I'm sure you're aware that everyone, even the mafia, does not wish to be offed. Your revelation, on Day 1 no less, has likely put you on top of others' suspicious list, including mine.
Night's calling and I was just about to place my (permanent) vote on you, just before I head to bed.

I'm open to have the vigilante have a go at you, and hope that s/he actually does, but that does not mean that s/he will.
Thus, for now Vote: Quintus.JC. (temporary)
I'll (begrudgingly) try to wake up prior to the deadline, and make any changes if there's a need to do so.

[Quintus.JC]

Let the Viglante have his go, don't lynch me. I'm only trying to make this show entertaining.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would disagree with my good friend glyphz, here...

we should have separate lynch and vigilante kills, because if we are right with one the other will be wasted. If Quintus survives tonight we lynch/vigilante (whichever didnt happen today) tomorrow.

3 anti-murders is teh ubor pwnage. At this point, if Quintus isn't the real saboteur, then the sabateur could jump up and down and say "I'm the saboteur" and I would still find it less suspicious.



sorry to put an indelicate point on it, but thats how I feel.

EDIT/ADD: Dont waste a vigilante on Quintus if we're voting him, please.

[Quintus.JC]

You shouldn't waste an vote on me if you're gonna set the viligante on me. I'm inviting him/her!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quintus, didn't you just reveal that you have 3 lives and, basically, that only lynches can kill you? Now you're asking us to waste a vigilante on you.

either you're lying or asking us to waste a lynch on a 3 day mafia game. We only have 3 shots. Even if we are right that you're the killer we cannot afford to waste a vote and a lynch on you in one day.

I suppose we could vigilante you tonight and lynch you tomorrow, but even so you'll be dead and that takes twice as long. I don't see the point. Either we let you live entirely or we lynch you now.

[Quintus.JC]

I suppose we could vigilante you tonight and lynch you tomorrow, but even so you'll be dead and that takes twice as long. I don't see the point. Either we let you live entirely or we lynch you now.

Well, if you're asking me we should let myself live entirely. I'm 'armless I swear.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, if you're asking me we should let myself live entirely. I'm 'armless I swear.

Oooohhh he's 'armless, he swears. Well no one ever lied before in a mafia game. That cinches it. He's innocent folks.

Note how he said 'armless, not "harmless". I say hes an armless saboteur.