The greatest human tragedy of all time

[Subedei]

Industrialization and with it the massive increase of world population/ polution.

No offence to anybody, but if i think about it it is sort of cause for lots of problems in our societies.

[TevashSzat]

Politicians

[Sarmatian]

Industrialization and with it the massive increase of world population/ polution.

No offence to anybody, but if i think about it it is sort of cause for lots of problems in our societies.

Yeah, people working only 8h per day instead of from dawn to dusk, having good medical care, education, enough money to fulfill their needs not just to sustain themselves is a real bummer.

[Decker]

When Cain killed Able.

[Subedei]

Yeah, people working only 8h per day instead of from dawn to dusk, having good medical care, education, enough money to fulfill their needs not just to sustain themselves is a real bummer.

I guess everything has two sides.

Assuming you are living in a first world country I would state YOU have access to the medical care, job/money etc..
Well, think about the 70-90% of world population who don´t have the fortune you/ i have? Is it b/c they are all lazy? I don't think so.

Industrialization in it's current state has negative effects like robbery of commodities from 3rd world countries, unequal distribution of wealth, negative effects of the climate change esp. in 3rd world countires (lack of water, destruction of crops....) etc.

It has a lot of good sides, esp. for someone like me living in the EU. Go ask sombody in the Congo....

The positive effects faciliated by mankinds progress sure do affect a lot of people...but the lot of people become more and more and more....We have to think about a way to deal with this without further destruction of our own planet. This is one of our biggest challenges atm.

"preaching mode off"

[Conqueror]

The Manhattan Project.

[JR-]

The Manhattan Project.

given that Germany had their own atomic project i am jolly glad we got there first!

[Sarmatian]

I guess everything has two sides.

Assuming you are living in a first world country I would state YOU have access to the medical care, job/money etc..
Well, think about the 70-90% of world population who don´t have the fortune you/ i have? Is it b/c they are all lazy? I don't think so.

Industrialization in it's current state has negative effects like robbery of commodities from 3rd world countries, unequal distribution of wealth, negative effects of the climate change esp. in 3rd world countires (lack of water, destruction of crops....) etc.

It has a lot of good sides, esp. for someone like me living in the EU. Go ask sombody in the Congo....

The positive effects faciliated by mankinds progress sure do affect a lot of people...but the lot of people become more and more and more....We have to think about a way to deal with this without further destruction of our own planet. This is one of our biggest challenges atm.

"preaching mode off"

One of the reasons, actually prime reason, why 3rd world countries are 3rd world countries is because they aren't industrialized countries, but pretty much agrarian...

The reasons why aren't they industrialized is another issue, complex and deserving of a thread of its own...

When we were under a nobility we were still in a nation-state, though in a different form to what we consider it today. As for religion - it is because of nation-states that it has achieved enough power to cause people to die for it.

That's debatable, but okay, let's say that it is so. Let me rephrase - It was so much better when we were killing each other for our respective tribes and chiefs?

[CountArach]

That's debatable, but okay, let's say that it is so. Let me rephrase - It was so much better when we were killing each other for our respective tribes and chiefs?

No it wasn't, but Nation States have allowed for the industrialisation of killing.

[Fragony]

No it wasn't, but Nation States have allowed for the industrialisation of killing.

Dear god CountArach do they teach you anything but marxism at your university?

[CountArach]

Dear god CountArach do they teach you anything but marxism at your university?

Yes... I figured that myself. I do Ancient History - not much Marxism there.

Not true, and not true.

Nation-state is widely considered as a creation of the modern era, and as such, do not include feudal state, tribal groups and so on.

Alright then, how about the State in the sense of a person with authority ruling over others?

And we all know that people have been willing to kill themselves over a religious issue way before the modern era.

I think you're confusing state and nation here. Both are two really different notions.

I apologise. I know the difference, but often I use the term interchangably.

[Big_John]

letting women speak out of turn.


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[Adrian II]

Yeah, people working only 8h per day instead of from dawn to dusk, having good medical care, education, enough money to fulfill their needs not just to sustain themselves is a real bummer.