The Eugenic Annihilation of Children with Down's Syndrome

[ShaiHulud]

then you are not truely equating abortion to murder.

this is a narrow and incomplete view of fitness and reproduction.

i'm not a big fan of feminists either.. but they have little bearing on my opinion of abortion. and again, for the 1000th time, 'life' is not in question, personhood is.

btw, i essentially never get upset over forum chat. disgusted sometimes, but that's what the ignore button is for.

Killing? Murdering? Man kills, undeniable. The reasoning upon which he bases the act is what separates him from other animals. The difference between killing and murdering is based, solely, on whether a death is justifiable morally. The animal that kills for food is easily understood. The lion that kills cubs not his own is justified by the survival instinct to induce the lioness to breed again. The woman that kills her own child is not answering an instinctual imperative and it isn't for food. To abort to save the life of the mother is logical. I leave to others to explain their reasoning for abortion for other reasons.

Abortion is not about reproduction, but the opposite. Europe, for instance, is being re-colonized by a people who reproduce, replacing the indigenous peoples who do not. Narrow, perhaps, but Nature is very unforgiving that way.

'Personhood'? Defining what is human, what is a person, has provided the vehicle to some of history's most hideous slaughters, Sub-human Slavs, Jews, Romany, etc. Small wonder, then, that defining a child in the womb as a 'not-person' should lead to indiscriminate abortion of millions.

[Big_John]

Killing? Murdering? Man kills, undeniable. The reasoning upon which he bases the act is what separates him from other animals. The difference between killing and murdering is based, solely, on whether a death is justifiable morally. The animal that kills for food is easily understood. The lion that kills cubs not his own is justified by the survival instinct to induce the lioness to breed again. The woman that kills her own child is not answering an instinctual imperative and it isn't for food. To abort to save the life of the mother is logical. I leave to others to explain their reasoning for abortion for other reasons.

Abortion is not about reproduction, but the opposite. Europe, for instance, is being re-colonized by a people who reproduce, replacing the indigenous peoples who do not. Narrow, perhaps, but Nature is very unforgiving that way.

choosing not to be burdened by raising a child early in life can easily be seen as a rational calculation in terms of fitness.

'Personhood'? Defining what is human, what is a person, has provided the vehicle to some of history's most hideous slaughters, Sub-human Slavs, Jews, Romany, etc. Small wonder, then, that defining a child in the womb as a 'not-person' should lead to indiscriminate abortion of millions.

i was wondering when abortion would be compared to the holocaust. but your parallels do not work. a slav, gypsy, jew, etc is inarguably a person. we can observe that and it is demonstrable. nazi policies of the past do not affect that judgement, it is based on reason. a clump of cells is not inarguably a person. a fetus is not the functional equivalent of one of your holocaust victims.

[Ironside]

Killing? Murdering? Man kills, undeniable. The reasoning upon which he bases the act is what separates him from other animals. The difference between killing and murdering is based, solely, on whether a death is justifiable morally. The animal that kills for food is easily understood. The lion that kills cubs not his own is justified by the survival instinct to induce the lioness to breed again. The woman that kills her own child is not answering an instinctual imperative and it isn't for food. To abort to save the life of the mother is logical. I leave to others to explain their reasoning for abortion for other reasons.

It's a side effect of not finding raising a child worth the resourses needed to do it at the time, something that isn't that unusual from an evolutionary viewpoint.

A simular matter would be to to rise a most likely infertile offspring because the parental instincts kicks in.