The Great Game, another loss

[Strike For The South]

Wow. Adrian just utterly destroyed 3 native English speakers and not only that he echos my sentiments exactly. Adrian wins we may close this thread

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[Incongruous]

Wow. Adrian just utterly destroyed 3 native English speakers and not only that he echos my sentiments exactly. Adrian wins we may close this thread

Wow, Strike once again illustrates a deep undestanding of the issues, give this man a medal!!!

Again Adrian, how would the West be able to gather the men and money to invade and hold down a nation like Pakistan? 'Cause its gonna take a while to get all them nasty terrorists there.

[Strike For The South]

Wow, Strike once again illustrates a deep undestanding of the issues, give this man a medal!!!

Again Adrian, how would the West be able to gather the men and money to invade and hold down a nation like Pakistan? 'Cause its gonna take a while to get all them nasty terrorists there.

I would like Platinum please.

[Sarmatian]

Adrian won??? By stating that West is in Afghanistan to protect itself and not to install democracy and/or to help Afghanistan become a "country"? Gee, what a grand discovery, Columbus is put to shame.

The "we're there to protect ourselves and we don't care about anything else" is a failed policy. Like Tribesy asked, why was Afghanistan a threat in the first place. Precisely because it was not a real country, because it was divided between different tribal lords and fundamentalist government. And if something isn't done to change that situation, when US & Co army leaves it's going to revert to the exact same situation before the invasion, which was the reason for the initial invasion. Or maybe some people think that keeping troops there indefinitely is a viable solution...

Either you change something there and leave without having to worry about it in the future, or you're stuck with endless occupation of the country, because if you withdraw while Afghanistan is in the state it is now, you're gonna have a Taliban or Taliban-like regime taking power. I believe that keeping troops in Afghanistan indefinitely isn't an option. So, Tribesy hit the nail on the head - why was Afghanistan a threat?. You need to address the cause, and not the consequence.

[Tribesman]

You have been drinking.

yeah right
Ok for people who are really thick and for Adrian who is pretending to be .
What the hell are you on about ?
If the current or past circumstances are counterproductive to what you want then attemting to change the current result withiout sorting the present circumstances is just pissing into the wind .
Your premise seems to be that it can't be done so why bother unless they can be bothered to bother which ain't gonna matter much anyway but **** it we is gonna do it and anyone who doesn't believe that ****doesn't undrerstand it .

And no I ain't doing a president tribesman statement , afghanistan with all the ISS and the al-qaida bolox is just too far goneto be adressed without going inio essay style proportions

[Koga No Goshi]

Adrian won??? By stating that West is in Afghanistan to protect itself and not to install democracy and/or to help Afghanistan become a "country"? Gee, what a grand discovery, Columbus is put to shame.

The "we're there to protect ourselves and we don't care about anything else" is a failed policy. Like Tribesy asked, why was Afghanistan a threat in the first place. Precisely because it was not a real country, because it was divided between different tribal lords and fundamentalist government. And if something isn't done to change that situation, when US & Co army leaves it's going to revert to the exact same situation before the invasion, which was the reason for the initial invasion. Or maybe some people think that keeping troops there indefinitely is a viable solution...

Either you change something there and leave without having to worry about it in the future, or you're stuck with endless occupation of the country, because if you withdraw while Afghanistan is in the state it is now, you're gonna have a Taliban or Taliban-like regime taking power. I believe that keeping troops in Afghanistan indefinitely isn't an option. So, Tribesy hit the nail on the head - why was Afghanistan a threat?. You need to address the cause, and not the consequence.

Well Adrian doesn't have a vote or a goat in the U.S. but I'm sure he'll have a happy explanation for how we won when we leave, and that anything that goes wrong afterwards wasn't our fault, even if we're back in there again in 10 years to overthrow some new Talibanesque fundamentalist terror training regime. At least someone will say we did well!

[Koga No Goshi]

Wow. Adrian just utterly destroyed 3 native English speakers and not only that he echos my sentiments exactly. Adrian wins we may close this thread

The world is very simple when "it's someone other than America's fault" is your explanation for absolutely everything, including our own foreign policy collapses.

[Tribesman]

Come on Koga , give Strike a chance to say how operations can be conducted so that Afghanistan(pakistan) can be forged into a place where hostility isn't rife and terrirusts can't find a resting place ?

[Koga No Goshi]

Come on Koga , give Strike a chance to say how operations can be conducted so that Afghanistan(pakistan) can be forged into a place where hostility isn't rife and terrirusts can't find a resting place ?

He won't. I'm disappointed with how he skirts in and out of controversial topics saying he doesn't care much and screw it all, but then always putting on a cheerleader outfit for any apologist explanation that America has done everything right.

[Tribesman]

Now that ain't fair at all Koga , Strike does some bloody good posts and often goes against the percieved grain

[Koga No Goshi]

Now that ain't fair at all Koga , Strike does some bloody good posts and often goes against the percieved grain

It's quite fair both here and in the Israel thread. I meant those two specifically.

[Strike For The South]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

[KarlXII]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

Aren't we already doing that? The Warlord in the South rebeled! Oh no! Let's pay another warlord to defeat him! Wait, now he's rebelling? Man, we're running out of warlords very fast.

[Strike For The South]

Aren't we already doing that? The Warlord in the South rebeled! Oh no! Let's pay another warlord to defeat him! Wait, now he's rebelling? Man, we're running out of warlords very fast.

Well we need more troops as well, however I am a firm believer money>religion any day of the week. Just look at why we were able to hand over the Anbar Provence.

[Koga No Goshi]

Well we need more troops as well, however I am a firm believer money>religion any day of the week. Just look at why we were able to hand over the Anbar Provence.

I agree completely. People who say this is all about religion are totally off their rocker. Aside from lone fanatics there is no terrorist group out there (or rebel group, or insurgency, or militia, or whatever), regardless of religious affiliation, which isn't out to accomplish geopolitical goals. i.e., indirectly, money.

[Koga No Goshi]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

This is a much better plan, Strike, than "lol don't do any of that and if a democracy doesn't emerge it's the Afghans' fault." I'd endorse it given what the alternatives seem to be.