Jorg Haider is Dead

[KarlXII]

Not sure how that is silly. It was a state sponsored ethnic cleansing like any other.

So the Holocaust didn't kill about 6 million undesirables? Or is it OK, because those damned Commies got the superior Germans?

[PanzerJaeger]

So the Holocaust didn't kill about 6 million undesirables? Or is it OK, because those damned Commies got the superior Germans?

No I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that both were instances of ethnic cleansing. The scale of the Holocaust was larger, but both involved state sanctioned murder and concentration camps.

They were death camps. Or are you saying death was simply a 'punishment'?

Death is a punishment in the US, how would it be anything else in Nazi Germany?

In any event, concentration camps were not the same as death camps - according to Jewish scholars anyway.

I'm also having trouble finding where Haider said the camps were "only" punishment camps. Neither wiki nor its source includes "only".

[KarlXII]

In any event, concentration camps were not the same as death camps - according to Jewish scholars anyway.

Yep. 'Dem Jews alright.

[ICantSpellDawg]

No I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that both were instances of ethnic cleansing. The scale of the Holocaust was larger, but both involved state sanctioned murder and concentration camps.

Death is a punishment in the US, how would it be anything else in Nazi Germany?

In any event, concentration camps were not the same as death camps - according to Jewish scholars anyway.

Right. Not all camps were death camps. Many were just de-humanising work camps without the ovens or gas chambers.

I don't believe that Haider was saying the Holocaust was somehow diminished because of the german purges after the war - I think he was saying that, although the holocaust was massively more devastating that the ethnic cleansing of germans, the murderous ethnic cleansing of Germans was de-humanising and unjustifiable itself.

[PanzerJaeger]

I don't believe that Haider was saying the Holocaust was somehow diminished because of the german purges after the war - I think he was saying that, although the holocaust was massively more devastating that the ethnic cleansing of germans, the murderous ethnic cleansing of Germans was de-humanising and unjustifiable itself.

Yes. There's still a lot of resentment on both sides about the expulsions, and of course it is easy to make comparisons like that. That doesn't mean Haider was diminishing the Holocaust.

[Ironside]

No I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that both were instances of ethnic cleansing. The scale of the Holocaust was larger, but both involved state sanctioned murder and concentration camps.

Sadly, the term ethnic cleaning does by itself lack the distinction between ethnically cleansing region and a complete ethnic cleansing. While still both are hideous crimes, there's still a difference that's larger than simply size.

Do you honestly believe anyone at that debate didn't know what he meant when he said "the punishment camps of National Socialism"?

So why the change of a generally accepted word into something that can (and often will) imply guilt? This rewriting of terms is a classical move in propaganda.

For example, what do you think of the teaching facilities in the Communist states?

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Also known a re-education centers, the nice term for political prisons.

[Husar]

Eh, if you cannot judge a party/government by their common agenda Panzer, then going to a ballot and having to make a cross behind one or two parties, instead of hundreds of individuals, sounds like quite a bad idea.
I mean you just proved how stupid it is to form groups and parties based on perceived similarities but almost everyone does it anyways.