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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.
    Heard of bisexuality?

    Anyway, it would be interesting to see the sources you have, regarding homosexuality being a fetish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.
    I'm pretty certain the lust does not go away; they only abstain. Self-oppression is a better word. Original gay people can also adopt heterosexuality if they want to; given today's society, that is probably a much easier thing.
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    How does bisexuality disprove anything?

    Anyway, I don't have any internet-based sources, but have you ever seen a documentary of what goes on in prisons? Countless guys with families, 100% straight before they were jailed, go into relationships together.

    Also I remember on the BBC news once a story of a man who had been homosexual who admitted that he chose to become straight, and he did!

    So obviously it is a choice. People don't usually need to choose to be straight, but if they choose to be gay out of confusion/badness/because-they-think-its-coolness then they can also choose to go back on that choice.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    An inclination is not a conscious choice. People don't choose to be gay or straight, they can just follow their inclinations. And to condemn people on something they have no control over is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    So obviously it is a choice.
    No, you're not even considering the opposite option. You want absoluteness; that all people are born heterosexuals and that sexuality is a field of black and white. If you had not been so blind to opposite views; you'd see stories that tell the exactly opposite.

    And really; where does fetish and something that one could call "natural sexual attraction" begin? Isn't my taste for ladies pretty much a fetish? Why not? Is a male heterosexual attraction to female breasts a sick fetish since this attraction alone cannot produce children? Either way, why do you want to discriminate people because they have a fetish they do not want to give up?
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    Does it matter if being gay is a choice or not?

    If two consenting adults (gay or straight) want to marry, let them marry. This seems like a non-issue to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Does it matter if being gay is a choice or not?

    If two consenting adults (gay or straight) want to marry, let them marry. This seems like a non-issue to me
    Yep, that's another great argument provided by libertarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Does it matter if being gay is a choice or not?

    If two consenting adults (gay or straight) want to marry, let them marry. This seems like a non-issue to me
    My thought exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Does it matter if being gay is a choice or not?

    If two consenting adults (gay or straight) want to marry, let them marry. This seems like a non-issue to me
    If I can marry my macbook. I don't see why, all tax cuts ok but the seperation of church and state should work both ways that is fair imo, shouldn't intrude eachother's realm why did we seperate them in the first place to avoid meddling. And no I am not religious but you can't make any laws of where you don't have anything to say.

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    Why should the state have to acknowledge relationships between homosexuals and give them tax cuts?

    Tax cuts are not given to heterosexual couples for their lustfulness, but because of the historic role of the traditional family unit.

    Liberals are trying to brainwash children through school through sex education classes. I only finished mine a few years ago, and they were always telling us how it is normal to be homosexual, how everyone must consider if they are homosexual! This is terrible, if they stopped making issues out of non-issues and fooling children into thinking they might be homosexual then there would be no problem.

    Not to mention the disastrous consequences of gay couples being able to adopt children once they are married. They will brainwash their children (and yes Christian families brainwash children too but that doesn't make this OK), and make them start to think that maybe they could be gay, especially when they look up to daddy, and in particular when there's two daddies. Their kids will be picked on at school, and come home and tell everything to Daddy. I can see it already...

    Kid: Daddy, how come all the other kids have one dad and one mum?
    Dad: Well son, that is because your parents love each other anyway, so much that is doesn't matter that we're both men.
    Kid: But everyone at school says men should only love women...
    Dad: That is because they hate freedom.
    Kid: So does this mean that I could be gay?
    Dad: Why of course son, you must think about it seriously before you make your mind up.
    Kid: But that doesn't make sense, they tell us at health education that its not a choice.
    Dad: That is because Christian fundamentalists are trying to confuse you son, we must make you challenge their ridiculous notions that it is normal for men to be attracted to women.
    Dad2: This kids a bigot.
    Kid: *cries* Daddy why did Daddy2 say I am a bigot?
    Dad: Aw, don't worry son, just go to your room and think about what we have told you.
    Kid: Thanks Daddy, I feel better now, when I grow up I want to be just like you! *goes and wonders if he is gay*
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Feel free to find it rediculous, but demanding something from someone is a much more hostile act then denying someone something he doesn't really need in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Feel free to find it rediculous, but demanding something from someone is a much more hostile act then denying someone something he doesn't really need in the first place.
    Who is demanding anything? There is no legal basis for us to bar two gay men (or polygamists for that matter) Its fear wrapped in the false premise of "The I could marry my toaster fallacy"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Liberals are trying to brainwash children through school through sex education classes. I only finished mine a few years ago, and they were always telling us how it is normal to be homosexual, how everyone must consider if they are homosexual! This is terrible, if they stopped making issues out of non-issues and fooling children into thinking they might be homosexual then there would be no problem.
    If you're not one; you got nothing to "fear" from that consideration. However, if you should happen to be one, it'd serve your best interests. As far as having green, blue or brown eyes is normal; homosexuality is too. It wouldn't be an issue if you didn't make it one.

    Not to mention the disastrous consequences of gay couples being able to adopt children once they are married. They will brainwash their children (and yes Christian families brainwash children too but that doesn't make this OK), and make them start to think that maybe they could be gay, especially when they look up to daddy, and in particular when there's two daddies. Their kids will be picked on at school, and come home and tell everything to Daddy. I can see it already...
    Or they will not. I've always understood it the way that 'brainwashing' the children has always been parents' right, anyhow. Children could be picked on for pretty much anything, that's not an argument.

    Kid: Daddy, how come all the other kids have one dad and one mum?
    Dad: Well son, that is because your parents love each other anyway, so much that is doesn't matter that we're both men.
    Kid: But everyone at school says men should only love women...
    Dad: That is because they hate freedom.
    Kid: So does this mean that I could be gay?
    Dad: Why of course son, you must think about it seriously before you make your mind up.
    Kid: But that doesn't make sense, they tell us at health education that its not a choice.
    Dad: That is because Christian fundamentalists are trying to confuse you son, we must make you challenge their ridiculous notions that it is normal for men to be attracted to women.
    Dad2: This kids a bigot.
    Kid: *cries* Daddy why did Daddy2 say I am a bigot?
    Dad: Aw, don't worry son, just go to your room and think about what we have told you.
    Kid: Thanks Daddy, I feel better now, when I grow up I want to be just like you! *goes and wonders if he is gay*
    ROTFL ~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Who is demanding anything? There is no legal basis for us to bar two gay men (or polygamists for that matter) Its fear wrapped in the false premise of "The I could marry my toaster fallacy"
    Someone is always demanding it is never enough, more gays here and that hole needs to be filled as well not enough gays there, if you want to be treated as an individual stop being a movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Someone is always demanding it is never enough, more gays here and that hole needs to be filled as well not enough gays there, if you want to be treated as an individual stop being a movement.
    This thread is about the legalization of gay marriage. I dont believe in giving a certain position to a man because he likes other men he should just have the right to marry. Is this one of the "freedom to" things we Americans are so fond of? Because until you mentioned it I never heard of Gay AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    This thread is about the legalization of gay marriage. I dont believe in giving a certain position to a man because he likes other men he should just have the right to marry. Is this one of the "freedom to" things we Americans are so fond of? Because until you mentioned it I never heard of Gay AA.
    It exists because someone has been lobbying, what is the big deal they can shred eachother apart 24/7, they already had all fiscal rights why they need to get married when they know it is important to a lot of people, probably because it is, makes it all the more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.
    Oh dear lord. Are we going to start doing faith healings now? Because this is well into the realm of the ridiculous. Stop believing whatever your fanatical church says and go meet some actual gay people from OUTSIDE your church, and listen to their perspective before making this kind of ridiculous claim.

    Someone is always demanding it is never enough, more gays here and that hole needs to be filled as well not enough gays there, if you want to be treated as an individual stop being a movement.
    If you don't like the movement, stop looking the other way or telling people to stop drawing attention to themselves when they have their property seized or are beaten into the hospital for no reason. If it hadn't been for widespread collusion in the mistreatment of people just because of their private home life, we wouldn't be where we are at as societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    If I can marry my macbook.
    Your macbook is not a consenting adult...

    EDIT: And neither is TuffStuff's toaster for that matter.
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    Rhyfelwyr,

    Why should the state have to acknowledge relationships between homosexuals and give them tax cuts?
    Because they are also human being and entitled to love, and build relationships.

    Tax cuts are not given to heterosexual couples for their lustfulness, but because of the historic role of the traditional family unit.
    And what is that historic role?

    Liberals are trying to brainwash children through school through sex education classes. I only finished mine a few years ago, and they were always telling us how it is normal to be homosexual, how everyone must consider if they are homosexual!
    Maybe you should have paid better attention in class then, so we wouldn't have to educate you.

    This is terrible, if they stopped making issues out of non-issues and fooling children into thinking they might be homosexual then there would be no problem.
    Your argument is that homosexuality was a non-issue before sex education, or what?

    Not to mention the disastrous consequences of gay couples being able to adopt children once they are married.
    How are the two related? In Sweden they can marry, but not adopt.



    They will brainwash their children (and yes Christian families brainwash children too but that doesn't make this OK), and make them start to think that maybe they could be gay, especially when they look up to daddy, and in particular when there's two daddies. Their kids will be picked on at school, and come home and tell everything to Daddy. I can see it already...
    First of all, what evidence do you have for claiming kids of adopted gays gets brainwashed to become gay? I think the gays, if able to adopt, will try to ensure their kids can love whoever they want to. As they, if any, are aware of the problem of forbidden love.

    You just sound veeery bigot.

    What are you afraid of?

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    That is the scariest avatar I have ever seen in my entire life. Seriously, it reminds me of that one part of Creepshow.

    @Andres, off topic sorry.

    Tax cuts are not given to heterosexual couples for their lustfulness, but because of the historic role of the traditional family unit.
    Bunk. Heterosexual married couples do not get tax credit for children until they have children and claim them on a tax return, with social security number. You get a tax cut per child. If you have no children, you still get the generic married tax bracket. So it has nothing to do with fostering procreation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    If you don't like the movement, stop looking the other way or telling people to stop drawing attention to themselves when they have their property seized or are beaten into the hospital for no reason. If it hadn't been for widespread collusion in the mistreatment of people just because of their private home life, we wouldn't be where we are at as societies.
    que? Was it something I said?

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    I am afraid that the world is becoming a cesspit of iniquity.

    People must choose to engage in homosexual acts, unless it was just a coincidence that all the Roman emperors except Claudius did this.

    Or ancient Greece, where it was seen as alright to have little boy slaves. Plato said it was good for population control after all. I'm not comparing this to paedophiles, but they all chose to engage in homosexual acts.

    And this is not just a case of having 'freedom to', the gay pride movement wishes to force its 'values' on everyone. They want children to be indoctrinated into believing that unnatural things are natural, and telling them to make choices that don't exist. They don't just want to take people out the closet, they want to take them into a different room and bar them from the normal world, telling them they are gay and always will be gay and that they have no choice in the matter.
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    I am afraid that the world is becoming a cesspit of iniquity.

    People must choose to engage in homosexual acts, unless it was just a coincidence that all the Roman emperors except Claudius did this.

    Or ancient Greece, where it was seen as alright to have little boy slaves. Plato said it was good for population control after all. I'm not comparing this to paedophiles, but they all chose to engage in homosexual acts.

    And this is not just a case of having 'freedom to', the gay pride movement wishes to force its 'values' on everyone. They want children to be indoctrinated into believing that unnatural things are natural, and telling them to make choices that don't exist. They don't just want to take people out the closet, they want to take them into a different room and bar them from the normal world, telling them they are gay and always will be gay and that they have no choice in the matter.
    Gay people all the time engage in straight sex acts for social acceptance or self-validation. In a culture like Greece or Rome where all power was tightly and exclusively male-held, and a culture that endorsed hedonism and pursuing any form of pleasure as acceptable, it is not exactly a shocking revelation that otherwise heterosexual men would mess around for political advantage. Though, they played around with powerful or high-born women for political advantage , too. So I am not sure what distinction you believe you are making about this.

    And as for the "forcing their values on you", what values would those be? Family? Life commitment? Wanting to move out of the era of back alley or closeted casual sex and into formal, stable relationships? Accepting and tolerating difference?

    I don't see what about the "values" behind gay marriage, any Christian should have a problem with. By your imagined-up image of how "values are being forced on you", straight people force their values on everyone every single day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    People must choose to engage in homosexual acts[/I]
    Yes, but that's not the same as that people choose to become homosexuals. Either way, it's their choice, not yours.
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    Yes, but that's not the same as that people choose to become homosexuals. Either way, it's their choice, not yours.
    Indeed, and unless their choices cause you some form of harm, encoded legislature to restrict or deny them certain equal rights they would have as heterosexuals is unsupportable in our country.
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    That's just because you are inventing categories of people. For example saying that people are born homosexual or heterosexual, and have no choice in the matter. In reality, homosexuals just choose to commit particularly vile acts, it doesn't make them special and eligible for tax cuts as normal couples would.

    Some people happen to make sodomy a way of life, either because they really embrace it or because gay activists tell them that they must because its who they are. They do not deserve privileges for this.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    In reality, homosexuals just choose to commit particularly vile acts
    Such as?

    (NB: I am not looking for a detailed description here - I am just wondering what you consider to be "particularly vile")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    It exists because someone has been lobbying, what is the big deal they can shred eachother apart 24/7, they already had all fiscal rights why they need to get married when they know it is important to a lot of people, probably because it is, makes it all the more important.
    If the church does not want to preform the service they dont have to. No one here has advocated that and if some gays feel smug oh well thats the way the cookie crumbles.
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    Sodomy is abominable full stop. Don't give people tax cuts for it.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Sodomy is abominable full stop. Don't give people tax cuts for it.
    You can get a tax cut for sodomy?
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