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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Panzer:

    Your assessment of the Nazi regime is incorrect. While I agree that many Germans were merely fighting for their country (often with great skill and honorably), the Nazi regime was every bit as evil as that of Dhaugazvili. The programmatic murder of millions is as morally repugnant as any effort, any act in human history -- and its scale was mind-boggling.

    Do you toss out such statements like a fisherman tossing chum in the water? Just to see the frenzy?

    I hope so, since then I would only have to be disappointed in your choice of entertainment, rather than saddened and worried for you.
    What is worse: rounding up a group of people that you truly believe to be destructive to your nation and killing them, or incinerating hundreds of thousands of women and children of a defeated enemy with a nuclear weapon to show off? Please don't tell me that it was to protect American soldiers, because documents have disproven that argument a long time ago.

    I am so tired of hearing that the Nazis were somehow worse. In reality, they were comparatively better than the allies and the Japanese.

    Anti-Semitism had been instilled in most Europeans long before Hitler came to power. This is why so many Jews were reported to the Nazis in occupied territories. Many, many people truly believed that the Jews were somehow organized to take advantage of other Europeans. Today children are taught that Hitler simply blamed society's problems on the Jews to gain power in order to teach them about the dangers of racism, but reality is lost in trying to make that point. Why would Hitler reroute so many precious resources to the concentration camps - why would he make his final goal the destruction of European Jewry if he didn't actually believe what he was saying? All primary sources I've read about the man indicate that he did. The "Jewish Problem", was in fact, a real problem in these guy's minds. While such a complex is laughable today, it was very real at the time. Does this excuse the Nazis, in any way? Of course not, but it does put their actions in a historical context that most people choose to ignore.

    Now then, in what context did the British drop fire bombs on the innocent children of a defeated enemy? Purely for death, destruction, and terror - according to the man who ordered it. And where did the term "concentration camp" come from?

    In what context did the Americans drop those same bombs on innocent German children, and then turn around and drop nuclear bombs on the women and children of a completely and utterly defeated enemy? How many American's stood up and said 'no' to the rounding up all those Japanese Americans? How many really knew what the government was doing with them, or cared?

    (I don't think I need to get in to the wanton raping and killing that went on, sanctioned and unsanctioned, by the Russians and Japanese just for fun. )

    So on one side, we have the Nazis killing a group of people they truly believed to be subversive and dangerous, while most Germans were shown propaganda films of happy Jews enjoying themselves in the camps, and were unaware of exactly what was taking place. On the other side, you have the Americans and British incinerating the population centers of defeated nations known to be refuges of huge numbers of women and children to terrorize them and show off their awesome new weapons, all to the delight of the American and British people watching at home on newsreals.

    The allies truly were no better. The people showed themselves to be just as easily manipulated into murder by their leadership, and their leadership showed themselves to be just as willing to commit it as the Nazis.
    Last edited by PanzerJaeger; 10-26-2008 at 21:16.

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