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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well, if you had a communist state and he controlled the whole economy, perhaps.


    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

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    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi View Post
    We don’t have to we get to.
    Its our duty!
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    No one person even the president of the united states can be blamed for what is going on...

    he didn´t help none...that´s for sure....but saying it´s his fault is going too far.
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    Administrations do influence the economy, as do various tax/estate/regulatory laws etc. enacted by Congress. At best, government is only one player in a very complex game. The problem is that they think their role to be more central than it can be.

    The important thing to remember, in assigning blame, is that there is almost always a multiple-year lag time between government change and economic impact.

    E.G. Congress' efforts to promote minority home ownership were begun in the latter-1990s. They did not intend to create a sub-rime lending derivative market...but that is what happened as Wall Street pursued the high basis point return and accepted the risk that went with it. Obviously, 12-15 years later, there are some problems with this. Good on intentions, not so good on long-term unintended consequences.

    On the bright side, there's plenty of blame to go around. Congress was controlled by the GOP at the time, so they signed off on it even though the Dems led. Then, with GB43, a GOP admin pushed to continue these programs with Congressional Dem support against those who sought to reign in FM & FM. Then, the "money is the greatest game" crowd packaged all the debts into seemingly lucrative bundles of joy -- and lots of folks bought into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Its our duty!
    Cue the Star Spangled Banner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Its our duty!
    /patriotism



    Income Tax is unconstitutional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post


    I heard rumors about US citizens having to pay taxes, so it must be a communist state

    In Soviet Obamerica,

    TAXES PAY YOU!
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    Bush deserves blame. Clinon deserves blame. Bush I deserves blame. Reagan deserves blame. Carter deserves blame. Bankers deserve blame. Credit agencies deserve blame. Mortgage companies and housing builders deserve blame. Congress deserves blame. And, most of all, the American citizens deserve blame for becoming lazy and apathetic, not doing our utmost to root out our own corrupt officials and spending like there was no tomorrow.
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    If the economy were going swell (which you are hard pressed to find it doing under a Republican in modern times) he would take personal credit. So yes, personal blame for when it falters is only applying the same standard he himself (or any President really) would have you apply if things were looking up. He got up and bragged everytime the overall trend of job loss was temporarily in reverse, so why not blame him when things are bad?
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