People-Senate Question

**A Nerd** · 08-12-2010, 01:55

I had my faction leader commit suicide once when the Senate asked me to just for kicks. I got the order again for my new faction leader about 2 turns later, so I guess it doesn't really matter too much. Another time, when the civil war broke out, the other Roman factions hadn't reached the Marion reforms but I had, talk about an uneventful civil war! That only happened once though.

**Guyus Germanicus** · 08-12-2010, 06:41

Originally Posted by A Nerd

Another time, when the civil war broke out, the other Roman factions hadn't reached the Marion reforms but I had, talk about an uneventful civil war! That only happened once though.

Something about that statement doesn't ring true to me. The Marius reforms occur once and for all for all Roman factions. My guess is one of three things may have happened - (1) you simply faced Roman armies in the civil war that still retained pre-Marian troops and didn't notice otherwise. Or, (2) there's a bug in the game I was unaware of. Or, (3) it's possible, I suppose, if the Civil War started before you triggered the Marius event, you could have thrown the game a curve and the other Roman factions could have been cut out of participating in the event when it did happen for you. I've never played a game, however, where the Civil War got underway before the Marius event. It would be interesting to see what would happen in that case.

The Marian reforms occur whenever the first Roman faction that has a city in the Italian peninsula that reaches a population of 24,000 and completes the construction of the administration building for that level. The only exception to that rule is Messina in Sicily since it starts out as a Roman city for the Scipii. So, it can also trigger the Marius event. The Roman factions do not each have their own separate Marius reform event.

The earliest I've ever seen the Marius event occur for me is in 236 BC. But your triggering city has to grow unhindered by plague and bad governorship, and you have to be conscientious about building farms and public health buildings like sewers and public baths. In the case of the Julii, they have an extra help in their temple of Ceres. When I play the Brutii, it's Croton that sets it off for me.

**A Nerd** · 08-12-2010, 18:35

It was quite some time ago, and I think the difficulty I was playing at was easy. Though I distinctly remember fighting armies of Hastati, Triarii and the like. THe game was unpatched and quite new at the time. I don't know if this would affect the actions of the AI regarding construction and troop production.

**Rarity** · 08-20-2010, 17:20

I have known that the Senate will give us a message to make your Faction Leader to die when we got 20 ~ 25 regions. So, why don't you you try to lose some (Give to other Factions) and only get 19?
I know, this is a mad idea, and i don't think that it will work, just saying for fun!

**Myth** · 08-24-2010, 12:37

Haven't received this message yet, but I've yet to play trough the whole civil war. How does one suicide ones faction leader?

**ReluctantSamurai** · 08-24-2010, 13:25

I've never complied, of course. I suppose one could put him on a bireme and attack the largest fleet afloat, or assault a heavily defended city all by himself.......

**Veles Shadow** · 08-24-2010, 22:11

Originally Posted by Myth

Haven't received this message yet, but I've yet to play trough the whole civil war. How does one suicide ones faction leader?

Probably like ReluctantSamurai said, but since the Senate tells you to get your killed, you'd expect there to be a "Suicide button" or something

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Although I don't see the point. I think it was put into the game to encourage you to hate and destroy the senate. And it works. The cival war is one of the most exiting part of the Roman campaign, so enjoy!