Poll: scale the difficulty of each campaign

**Skuda** · 08-22-2010, 10:28

Hayastan is a hard faction? Maybe on VH/VH, but on H/M is pretty easy even without rushing. The same for Saka and Sauromatae.

NB: I'm playing my own minimod where all the spearmen have -4 attack. But I think it doesn't make any difference in this case

**seienchin** · 08-22-2010, 11:02

Originally Posted by Skuda

Hayastan is a hard faction? Maybe on VH/VH, but on H/M is pretty easy even without rushing. The same for Saka and Sauromatae.

NB: I'm playing my own minimod where all the spearmen have -4 attack. But I think it doesn't make any difference in this case

What?

If you dont rush wih Saka you must wait like 40 turns to make money, even more with sauromatae and hayasdan is hell if the seleucs decide to atack you.
It isnt impossible (I have never seen the pc beat me^^), but it is tedious as hell fighting stakc after stack.

Anyway I hate playing all the rush or die factions, because one of the funny parts of EB is building your cities to economical greatness, which is nearly impossible the first 100turns with these factions.
The only exception beeing the lusotans, which are easy to manage after you conquer one or two settlements.

Anyway if this were Vanilla you would give you a*** handed to you if you had like 10 levy units and you were atacked by a fullstack of elite infantry and cavallery.

Ebs high defense and moral system makes for intense battles, but I think its broken, when it comes to horse archers. They werent the dominant force in EBs Timeframe, but in EB they are the strongest units.

**Skuda** · 08-22-2010, 20:34

Originally Posted by seienchin

What?

If you dont rush wih Saka you must wait like 40 turns to make money, even more with sauromatae and hayasdan is hell if the seleucs decide to atack you.
It isnt impossible (I have never seen the pc beat me^^), but it is tedious as hell fighting stakc after stack.

Of course I conquer 5-6 provinces for Saka in first turns (for Armenia you need to to have no more then 3 to have a strong and stable economy). But then you can sit back and build up or raid your enemies' cities with army of HAs :)

**Olaf The Great** · 08-23-2010, 04:19

I really cannot wait for EB2, The AI in M2 seems to be less hellbent on destroying the player.

**Blxz** · 08-23-2010, 06:06

The Hai game is meant to be hard. In history they failed. Admittedly they lasted for a while but still went in the end. Thats what I like so much about this mod, if I want to change history I have a big uphill battle to fight. Especially considering I am too lazy to be very 'gamey' (or strategic) with my tactics. I tend to make a big line of dudes and charge the enemy and hope that enough of my guys come out the other side still alive. Tends to work most times, at least I am a good player on the macro campaign, I just suck at micro control.

Man, I am gonna go play a game of them now. Thanks for the inspiration guys.

**Lysimachos** · 08-24-2010, 20:18

Originally Posted by Blxz

The Hai game is meant to be hard. In history they failed.

Hmpf. So, all campaigns except the Romans and Parthians should be as hard, since those two were the only ones to have a huge empire at the end of the timeframe?

**artavazd** · 08-29-2010, 03:05

Originally Posted by Blxz

The Hai game is meant to be hard. In history they failed. Admittedly they lasted for a while but still went in the end. Thats what I like so much about this mod, if I want to change history I have a big uphill battle to fight. Especially considering I am too lazy to be very 'gamey' (or strategic) with my tactics. I tend to make a big line of dudes and charge the enemy and hope that enough of my guys come out the other side still alive. Tends to work most times, at least I am a good player on the macro campaign, I just suck at micro control.

Man, I am gonna go play a game of them now. Thanks for the inspiration guys.

Which Armenian kingdom are you referring to? Are you referring to Tigran's Empire? Well Armenia throughout her history has been an independent kingdom,many times from antiquity to the middle ages (until 1375 when Cilician Armenia fell). Today it is a republic. There is the Armenian language with its unique alphabet which is not Cyrlic or Latin or Aramaic. So where did it fail?

**vartan** · 08-29-2010, 03:53

Originally Posted by artavazd

Which Armenian kingdom are you referring to? Are you referring to Tigran's Empire? Well Armenia throughout her history has been an independent kingdom,many times from antiquity to the middle ages (until 1375 when Cilician Armenia fell). Today it is a republic. There is the Armenian language with its unique alphabet which is not Cyrlic or Latin or Aramaic. So where did it fail?

Don't mind yexbayr. The author was simply misinformed jan.

**siegfriedfr** · 08-22-2010, 11:24

Originally Posted by Skuda

Hayastan is a hard faction? Maybe on VH/VH, but on H/M is pretty easy even without rushing. The same for Saka and Sauromatae.

NB: I'm playing my own minimod where all the spearmen have -4 attack. But I think it doesn't make any difference in this case

So what's your strategy with hayasdan? How do you cope with AS relentless attacks?

**Duguntz** · 08-22-2010, 16:47

Honestly, I played two campaing (not finished as i got bored) with Saka and Sauromate (as a rider myself, I've a weakness for cav. based armies!!!) and I don't get why people say it's so diffivult. with saka. the first few turns are tricky, but when you get out of the red in your finances, the game's over! (meaning, you literally can kick the ass of anybody! I mean, their bodyguard, like sauromates, are literally german tiger tanks that came down from world WWII (3 FM alone can stand their own against "almost" anything). the only real danger when playing one of those two are the other (Sauro when you play Saka and vice versa). I played both on hard and well... with sauromates, go west and you can eat getai and hellenes for breakfest, go south with Saka!

In any cases, they're not the hardest faction I played! (well, it's only a personal experiance, I'm not saying they're "easy" factions, far from that, new commers would probably be discouraged if they tried Saka first!)

**Skuda** · 08-22-2010, 20:29

Originally Posted by siegfriedfr

So what's your strategy with hayasdan? How do you cope with AS relentless attacks?

You mean, Ptolemies? ;) Together with Pahlava they smashed AS to splinters and I even had to save them conquering in one campaign with my faction heir whole Mesopotamia and then giving it to Seleucids back.

Now I'm holding against Ptolemaioi. It's not very hard if you have Karkathiokerta. It's a perfect city for sallying because it's located on the hill and two of its walls are situated just over the steep slopes (and enemies always attack from these two directions). I keep strong garrison here with 4 units Eastern slingers and 4 HAs (Armenian and Scythian), some infantry and FM. I've had at least half dozen heroic victories here and attackers just have no chance. Call it cheating if you like ;)