Gameroom statistics [revisited]

[Secura]

I think you've done an excellent job Romanic, but alot of the results are just generalised as 'mafia' victory which doesn't quite tell the full story... guess I'm just nitpicking though, but I've posted some of them I noticed anyway.

2010-06-22 - Murder Manor III - Askthepizzaguy - 17 players - Mafia Victory

This game was not won by the mafia; YLC was the sole mafia of that game, and was 'outed' by me and thus lynched by the town... the true victor was Diana, a townie; YLC achieved a lower level of victory and the rest of the town suffered defeat of various magnitudes.

So I see this as 'Diana Victory' more than outright town. :3

2010-05-08 - The Revenge of Inishmore - pevergreen - 39 players - Town Victory

This game was won by Reenk Roink, a role that attached bombs to people and blew them up at will; doesn't sound like a town role to me... :P

2010-04-20 - Haiku Mafia - Subotan - 7 players - Town Victory

This game was actually a draw!

Both remaining townies (Pizza and Niklas) requested a draw with me, the sole mafia of the game, to which I agreed; were it not for a twinge of the heartstrings from Pizza and thus a reveal from me, I'd have won, and they both didn't like the fact they would win on that basis as I'd apparantly played pretty well up until that point.

Subotan agreed to this request and so it ended as a draw. :S

2010-04-15 - The Shadow Fort - Crazed Rabbit - 42 players - Mafia Victory

Turks weren't the only mafia, but they were the sole victors; I read this and thought it should read Turkish Victory or something.

2010-03-10 - Departed Dethy Mafia II - Captain Blackadder - 5 players - Mafia Victory

Should be 'Lurker Victory', eh Double A?

This game actually stands as one of my most loved; Sasaki ranks up there with the best of them, and the little head-to-head with him that spanned over the course of the entire game was amazing... I wish every game had that sort of impact on me.

2010-02-22 - Noblesse Oblige - Beskar - 33 players - Mafia Victory

This wasn't a specific 'mafia' victory, as the mafia were all independent; rather, it was a shared victory between a Selecao (me, considered as mafia by the town) and Kira (Csargo, whom the town had been forced to consider an ally).

2010-02-16 - An Unlikely Pair - Methos - 7 players - Mafia Victory

This game was won by a mafia, yes, but I was one of two; the second mafia lost in a very narrow head-to-head.

Totally a 'Secura Victory'. xDDDD

Secura
22 games (11 wins, 10 losses, 0 draw, 1 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 7 times
Mafia: 4 games (3 wins, 1 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 2 times
Neutral: 2 games (1 win, 1 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 0 time
Townie: 16 games (7 wins, 8 losses, 0 draw, 1 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 5 times

I've played alot of games over the last six months, it seems... it's rather tragic that I've survived less than half of those until the end and I suppose that's part of why I'm mulling over not playing after my current games conclude. I've never actually understood whether it's a compliment to my playing ability or a fatal flaw that sees me killed so often... -_-'

Mafia-wise, I have never actually lost; I won Noblesse Oblige (as Shiratori/Selecao XI), An Unlikely Pair (as the Cop) and Shadow Fort (dying very early, but winning as a Turkish Spy)... I drew Haiku Mafia as previously stated. Considering I don't seem to be mafia so often, I don't have a bad record as one!

As for that WOG, I think it's Inishmore, right? Had to ask for that, unfortunately, as I had no time to commit to the game. T'was no big deal though, was going to be lynched due to mistaken identity anyway. xD

Best % of wins (6 games min)
0.500 Secura

I think that 50% is a pretty decent number considering how many games I've played; I'd also like to think that, to some extent, the games I have lost could possibly have been turned around had I still been alive and contributing to the end. Wishful thinking though, right? :P

Most wins
11 Askthepizzaguy
11 Secura
11 Renata

It feels really good to be up there with two players who I have massive respect for and consider, with a few others, to be leaps and bounds above both myself and most of the Gameroom in terms of their deduction, flair and skill. May you both add to these victories for the rest of 2010!

What amuses, and somewhat astounds, me is that for every single game that Pizza wins, he survives to the end, as mafia or town; when he is lynched or killed, the game has a negative turn for his town/mafia allies. The same does not extend to me, whereby some of my wins as town come long after my life and interest were taken.

This is a really admirable feat and something that only echoes what I've been saying for a long time, Pizza; your impact on mafia is so great that your death/lynch is literally a game-changing event... I could only hope to emulate that! :P

Most often mafia
4 Secura

It's funny that I'm listed on this at all, considering that I've been town/neutral for eighteen games; has you considered a 'most often town' one? I must rank highly on that! xD

Most often survived to the end
7 Secura

It is the mini/small games that contribute towards this sum; my chances of survival in large games has annoyed me to no end, as it feels like I'm just one of the crowd and it's pretty frustrating to see lurkers and such who offer little to the game outlasting me.

Best survival ratio (6 games min)

And the above frustration is supported by the fact I don't appear in this list whatsoever despite playing twenty-two games! :P

[Secura]

This game was won by Reenk Roink, a role that attached bombs to people and blew them up at will; doesn't sound like a town role to me... :P

In hindsight, I could be incorrect about this... Reenk's ending is just the one I remember most. :3

[Romanic]

I think you've done an excellent job Romanic, but alot of the results are just generalised as 'mafia' victory which doesn't quite tell the full story... guess I'm just nitpicking though, but I've posted some of them I noticed anyway.

The game result sometimes does not accurately describe the real ending. A game listed as "Mafia Victory" will not give a win to every mafia player if only one mafia team is winning (the losing mafia will still get a defeat). "Mafia Victory" as a game result is a generalization of the result, which of course is sometimes more complicated.

I guess I should post the game details so it would be clearer.

This game was not won by the mafia; YLC was the sole mafia of that game, and was 'outed' by me and thus lynched by the town... the true victor was Diana, a townie; YLC achieved a lower level of victory and the rest of the town suffered defeat of various magnitudes.

So I see this as 'Diana Victory' more than outright town. :3

You're right, it's my mistake. Diana was ranked higher than YLC, so the game result should be "Town Victory" (something like "Shared Victory" in this case might be more accurate. I'll consider making this a possibility)

I also marked Methos, Niklas and you as winners but ATPG gave you a "Close Defeat", so I corrected it too.

This game was actually a draw!

Both remaining townies (Pizza and Niklas) requested a draw with me, the sole mafia of the game, to which I agreed; were it not for a twinge of the heartstrings from Pizza and thus a reveal from me, I'd have won, and they both didn't like the fact they would win on that basis as I'd apparantly played pretty well up until that point.

Subotan agreed to this request and so it ended as a draw. :S

Ok ~ Haiku mafia has been corrected. It's a draw for everyone now.

I've played alot of games over the last six months, it seems... it's rather tragic that I've survived less than half of those until the end and I suppose that's part of why I'm mulling over not playing after my current games conclude. I've never actually understood whether it's a compliment to my playing ability or a fatal flaw that sees me killed so often... -_-'

Actually making it to the end 7 times in 22 games is good, if you compared with other players. As Sasaki pointed out, look at Chaotix he never survived in 13 games. Only 3 players so far have survived in 50% of the games. You have more staying more than you think

As for that WOG, I think it's Inishmore, right? Had to ask for that, unfortunately, as I had no time to commit to the game. T'was no big deal though, was going to be lynched due to mistaken identity anyway. xD

Yes it was Inishmore.

I think that 50% is a pretty decent number considering how many games I've played; I'd also like to think that, to some extent, the games I have lost could possibly have been turned around had I still been alive and contributing to the end. Wishful thinking though, right? :P

You dropped to .477 with the above corrections (loss in MM3, draw in Haiku) but it's good still. Winning 50% of your games is hard. Currently the overall average is .403 so winning more than this makes you above average.

It's funny that I'm listed on this at all, considering that I've been town/neutral for eighteen games; has you considered a 'most often town' one? I must rank highly on that! xD

Most often town is an idea, I might do it, but actually you would be highly ranked in both categories because you're one of the player with the most games (you're 2nd with 22). A ratio town/game and mafia/game would better demonstrate who is always mafia or always townie.

It is the mini/small games that contribute towards this sum; my chances of survival in large games has annoyed me to no end, as it feels like I'm just one of the crowd and it's pretty frustrating to see lurkers and such who offer little to the game outlasting me.

And the above frustration is supported by the fact I don't appear in this list whatsoever despite playing twenty-two games! :P

You're not far though. Double A is 10th with .348 and you have .318 (7/22). I don't know this average for everyone but I'm pretty sure .318 is above average.

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Thank you for finding some of my mistakes! If anyone else finds something wrong, please let me know and I'll make the corrections. The lists have been updated.

[Romanic]

I've updated the 2nd post with a list of game details where you can see the result for everyone. If anyone find a mistake, I'll be happy to correct it.

[Secura]

Nothing that needs updating, but felt it warranted saying... even though I was counted as losing All Those Pretty Stars and Murder Manor III, I still count those as personal victories considering the fact I personally nailed the mafia in those games (Renata/WH, YLC) and helped my fellow townies to victory in doing so.

I tried really hard for those games and ended up losing; MM3 particularly smarts considering. xD

[pevergreen]

This game was won by Reenk Roink, a role that attached bombs to people and blew them up at will; doesn't sound like a town role to me... :P

The real ending was an Atheotes victory, as a cult within a cult.


Imagine how I feel/others feel. This is only counting recent games.

I've been mafia... twice over what, 3 years?

[TheFlax]

Just to see how bad I am at this, I decided to add in all the completed games in which I participated.

TheFlax
27 games (8 wins, 19 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 2 replaced) - Survived 4 times
Mafia: 6 games (1 win, 5 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 2 replaced) - Survived 1 time
Neutral: 1 game (0 win, 1 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 0 time
Townie: 20 games (7 wins, 13 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 3 times

It bears mentionning that my only mafia win was in a mini game in which it was nearly impossible for mafia to lose and I still managed to play very poorly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What amuses, and somewhat astounds, me is that for every single game that Pizza wins, he survives to the end, as mafia or town; when he is lynched or killed, the game has a negative turn for his town/mafia allies. The same does not extend to me, whereby some of my wins as town come long after my life and interest were taken.

This is a really admirable feat and something that only echoes what I've been saying for a long time, Pizza; your impact on mafia is so great that your death/lynch is literally a game-changing event... I could only hope to emulate that! :P

I am fairly certain that this is just a coincidence. Some of my best scum-hunting has been after my own death; maybe not this year. Of my mafia teammates I usually outlive them for some reason.

What I do find a strange pattern with is that people tend to lynch me when I am town and leave me alone when I am mafia. That explains the higher percentage of mafia wins/survivals over standard.

Whatever I do when I am townie is extremely scummy for some reason, and I need to act more like I do when I am mafia in order to survive as town.