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The abortion statement seems to be opinion rather then fact. I don't see how you can empirically say that a side is morally "stronger" then the other.
The "no abortion" argument is morally and logically consistant throughout, internally bulletproof. The only argument for allowing abortion that is similarly consistant is the one that says you can abort up until the child draws breath. as that isn't the argument most "pro-choice campaigners use, the no argument is stronger.

As for the prayer in schools, I don't know what HoreTore is getting at but if he is talking about school sanctioned and led prayer, then yes that is draconian. However, if we are simply talking about allowing kids to say prayers on their own accord without any involvement from school officials or teachers, then yeah that's perfectly fine and in fact should be protected.
*shrug*

Prayer to the Christain God is legally mandated in Schools in England and Wales, given that the CofE still finances and runs about 75% of Primary schools that's not so surprising.

More generally, until you reach your age of majority you are the ward of an adult (usually your parents) and they have a Duty of Care which includes equipping you with the best education, practical, ethical and moral, which they deem appropriate. This, Dawkins aside, includes religion and if your Guardian wants to send you to a religious school to be brought up in that religion then they should be allowed to do so -provided that school is not abusive and otherwise equips you with the tools to be a good and righteous member of scoiety.

So banning organised prayer in schools is Draconian, as is enforcing it.