[EB] How to make Western barbarian factions more balanced against Hellenic and East

[VikingPower]

I will make a new thread on the EB 2 forum what changed could be made in the MP unit roster, based on this recent discussion.

[vartan]

Sauromatae have no medium/light MELEE ONLY cavalry > so after choosing heavy cav (all HA) , you pick up a few medium cav HA and your archer limit prohibits you from getting any more cavalry (they are all HA )
Saka --seems ok to me , i've played it and it's balanced. I mean , i took on ACS toe to toe while i was noobish with saka and i've lost by the skin of my teeth.
Egypt --good roster , but a little inferior to other Diadochi. That is why it it not picked. maybe adding some mercs to the roster might add some interest there.
Getai -- dont have access to scythian units , even as mercs , although they have a fomeland with those units and they are pretty much the only neighbour of scythians.
Sweboz --moar trees:)
gauls ---Cheaper or bigger unit sizes...but if that is not available...dunno...some iberic?

--So what do you propose for Sauro in terms of specific unit additions to roster?
--ditto Egypt
--ditto Getai
--Roster changes won't repair trees for Sweboz. That's called 'choice of map', and everyone has that choice.
--Gauls - say what? o_O what are the max unit sizes anyway? and after which point would this imbalance the scale? (i.e. crackling-sauron-zerg phenomenon) and Iberic what?

I will make a new thread on the EB 2 forum what changed could be made in the MP unit roster, based on this recent discussion.

It doesn't really matter what ends up on the MP faction rosters because that's in the hands of the community anyway. Look at the 'units' lists for factional pages on EB site. It's what we use currently to list 'factional units' for most EB factions in both MP rosters as well as the wiki. In most cases the units match geographically with those factions, but in some cases there are mercs and non-factionals that end up on the lists. It's just an annoying nuance to deal with (I don't think we've bothered much yet in such a primitive stage of both the tiny EB MP community as well as the meager wiki).

[antisocialmunky]

Give barbs fire arrows so we can do the massive frontal assaults again :D

[vartan]

Give barbs fire arrows so we can do the massive frontal assaults again :D

Are you serious? I thought the only archers y'all had were Sotaroas.

[antisocialmunky]

One archer is all you need :D

[vartan]

One archer is all you need :D

In that case, how large is this differential, between a Gallic army without flaming arrows and one with?

[antisocialmunky]

Depends on how scary it is... but it is the difference between easily mass chain routing and dying hilariously.

[Lazy O]

Vartan; Even though EB is designed for historical reasons, Some things just HAVE to be changed for multiplayer.... I mean how many units are there which are essentialy the SAME THING???? Look at the diadochi, Almost all are the same with only a few exception.....Mundane.....Steppe factions are unique, thats good, Arverni and Aediu? SAME. Atleast change the recruitable units a BIT so theyre atleast some enjoyment of playing another faction rather jthan just gauls. IN all, you should get someone whos been in the MP thing for a long long time.YOu cant possibly do all that by yourself

[VikingPower]

Maybe the western barbarian factions are really only meant to be played in woods against other western barbarian factions.

The Carthagae does already have most of the best units from Lusotana and Celts, while the Getai faction could be adequate faction along with Rome and Carthage.

For in general they lack a decent long range archers against Nomads and lack a cheap armoured infantry with good morale as a line holders against phalangist units.

If there are going to be tournaments in the future then one of them should be centred upon western barbarian faction only, like in RTW vanilla when people use them.