Christianity Offially on the UP in England and Wales

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not in the UK it wasn't. But I would submit that things like Hiroshima, Dresden, Berlin, Killing Fields, Vietnam etc. etc. did a lot to invalidate societal conventions and following a Faith is merely collateral damage.

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn

Must have missed that part of the bible, seems more like some later preaching, surely anglo-saxon of origin [/jest].

Was it England or Ireland who just got their blasphemy laws back?

Those quotes are from Warhammar 40K, not Christianity.

So you lose theology and geek points.

[Shibumi]

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn



Those quotes are from Warhammar 40K, not Christianity.

So you lose theology and geek points.

You REALLY are not an avid fan of sarcasm, are you?

GW is a English company, hence my reference to anglo-saxons... And you must have missed the [/jest] part.

So You, dear sir, lose sarcasm and geek points. O maj gawd, yaou laust da internetz!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You REALLY are not an avid fan of sarcasm, are you?

GW is a English company, hence my reference to anglo-saxons... And you must have missed the [/jest] part.

So You, dear sir, lose sarcasm and geek points. O maj gawd, yaou laust da internetz!

Why would I be a fan or Sarcasm? It's lazy.

[Louis VI the Fat]

A soul-searcher for all you evil atheists!


You have an 18 year old daughter. Pretty little thing, slightly naive, really just a little girl still. She went out for a drink, and takes the bus home, alone, at 2AM. She's had too much too drink, and keeps somewhat passing out. Other people will have to get her home. Whom would you rather wish shared this bus with her, was she dependent on:

A) four young Christian, Churchgoing men
B) four random blokes
C) a horde of Swedish atheists, led by ringleader Kadagar
D) Louis VI, Vladimir, HoreTore, Beskar, all four suddenly sporting identical Beatles clothes and hair, singing 'Twist and Shout', while obviously under the influence of ungodly amounts of alcohol.

[Shibumi]

A soul-searcher for all you evil atheists!


You have an 18 year old daughter. Pretty little thing, slightly naive, really just a little girl still. She went out for a drink, and takes the bus home, alone, at 2AM. She's had too much too drink, and keeps somewhat passing out. Other people will have to get her home. Whom would you rather wish shared this bus with her, was she dependent on:

A) four young Christian, Churchgoing men
B) four random blokes
C) a horde of Swedish atheists, led by ringleader Kadagar
D) Louis VI, Vladimir, HoreTore, Beskar, all four suddenly sporting identical Beatles clothes and hair, singing 'Twist and Shout', while obviously under the influence of ungodly amounts of alcohol.

Option A probably are sexually frustrated, so no.
Option B leaves much to chance.
Option C I would not go with, as Sweden hands out citizenship to anyone these days.
Option D sounds horrible after HoreTore's knowledge of rape.

Option B it is, leaves a lot to chance but better than the other options.

[Beskar]

A soul-searcher for all you evil atheists!


You have an 18 year old daughter. Pretty little thing, slightly naive, really just a little girl still. She went out for a drink, and takes the bus home, alone, at 2AM. She's had too much too drink, and keeps somewhat passing out. Other people will have to get her home. Whom would you rather wish shared this bus with her, was she dependent on:

A) four young Christian, Churchgoing men
B) four random blokes
C) a horde of Swedish atheists, led by ringleader Kadagar
D) Louis VI, Vladimir, HoreTore, Beskar, all four suddenly sporting identical Beatles clothes and hair, singing 'Twist and Shout', while obviously under the influence of ungodly amounts of alcohol.

D, because I only trust myself and if I was with them, I would know what they were like, and trust them not to do something silly.

HoreTore would teach them algebra, Louis would admire their feet and shoes and give them foot advice, I would preach against evils of Capitalism, and Vladimir would tell them about his cross dressing days as a penguin.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Option A probably are sexually frustrated, so no.

[Tellos Athenaios]

A soul-searcher for all you evil atheists!


You have an 18 year old daughter. Pretty little thing, slightly naive, really just a little girl still. She went out for a drink, and takes the bus home, alone, at 2AM. She's had too much too drink, and keeps somewhat passing out. Other people will have to get her home. Whom would you rather wish shared this bus with her, was she dependent on:

A) four young Christian, Churchgoing men
B) four random blokes
C) a horde of Swedish atheists, led by ringleader Kadagar
D) Louis VI, Vladimir, HoreTore, Beskar, all four suddenly sporting identical Beatles clothes and hair, singing 'Twist and Shout', while obviously under the influence of ungodly amounts of alcohol.

Well seeing as:

(A) If they start preaching her about the morals of getting drunk and returning home at 2AM I'm sure she won't remember any of that next day. But it might make her come home considerably later as the Christians attempt to lecture her while she is still drunk.
(B) Sounds good.
(C) She probably doesn't speak Swedish, and I don't think her English will improve with being drunk either. So that probably won't help much when she needs to explain where she lives or needs to ask anything.
(D) You are too drunk to notice anything. At that rate my daughter would end up having to stumble onwards alone anyway. Also the noise of you lot would wake up the entire neighbourhood, and I don't think Beatles improve much when drunk.

I may however have to remind her of the option to sleep over at someone else's place rather than attempting to catch a bus at 2AM.

[Strike For The South]

Remember, a mumbled no is just as good as a yes

[Brenus]

“Prior to the First World War Europe was as religious as anywhere else, atheism was confined to the fashionable intellectual elite and Communists.”
Unfortunately for your thesis this is not completely true.
The XVIII - XIX centuries saw a big movement of de-christianisation in the workers class in all Europe. Figures of babies given baptism shows a drastic fall in the XIX. Workers did even less baptism than nowaday.

Nothing to do with Intellectuals or Communists, just a pure reaction against the Churches…

The movement started in the 1760 will take more speed with the Industrial Revolutions due to several factors as the Holly alliances of the Church with the Powers and the Powerful in all countries and, in France, the anti-Republicanism of the Church. The laicisation of all ceremonies combined with the ban of non-authorised Religious Congregations (lonnnng time before the ban of the Burkas) and the laicisation of schools sabotaged the churches brain control on the masses...

[Tellos Athenaios]

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn

Point is that events happened, perhaps more on the continent than in the UK itself, which defied all notions of any form of “civilisation”. And it did not stop there but continued to go on in other parts of the world. That sort of thing tends to make you re-evaluate the unspoken conventions of your society and a fair few number of people decided that having a God in your life does not go without saying, they discovered plenty of theology-defying pieces of scientific evidence and in general did enough to instill a notion that God is largely irrelevant anyway (and probably nonexistent too).

[Shibumi]

Tellos Athenaios, that is a very reasonable take on it.

I always wondered about the wars where both sides worshiped the same God. Would that not seem rather... Pointless from the perspective of a believer?

"Us english have the favour of God with us, contrary to you bastard Italians believing in your God! Now let us pray we shoot you to bits. Sure we still have to aim and stuff, God is not that much in our favour we can't aim, he help those who help themselves (making him slightly redundant one might think), but you know, he still is. Favouring us that is."