No Shoggy 2 until the AI is "perfect"

**Swoosh So** · 10-20-2010, 22:12

Maybe theyre planning to clone AMP and have him play as the ai in a huge cloning factory in every single player shogun 2 game ever played?

**Gregoshi** · 10-21-2010, 00:50

Originally Posted by Swoosh So

Maybe theyre planning to clone AMP and have him play as the ai in a huge cloning factory in every single player shogun 2 game ever played?

And that is how the machines took over the world...

**hoom** · 10-21-2010, 07:24

Eignar gudminiinunson already made a crazy statement in that battle video, the ai wont notice what your doing with your cav behind the the archer cause its off doing other things?

This is the challenge of the 'believable AI' discussed in an earlier thread.

Its easy to make a bot that will know exactly what you are doing several million times per second and which in a simple game like a FPS will be able to hit you every shot from across the map.

What is hard is simulating the AI having a limited observation/response capacity that 'feels' like a real person who might get distracted & not notice you moving some units behind terrain to flank but isn't completely retarded.

I'm very happy with the suggestion that they are re-implementing LoS for the AI (& hopefully for the player too!)
In Shogun you often wouldn't know where the enemy was as you advanced.
eg your lead unit crests a ridge-line then suddenly the enemy appears formed up en-masse right behind the ridge-line & is immediately charging at you before your army has time to form ranks.
This could leave you fighting with gaps in the line, key units in the wrong place & with the disadvantage of a significant morale penalty for being attacked by recently hidden enemies that could turn this situation into a chain rout despite your army being stronger.

**Swoosh So** · 10-21-2010, 08:15

Hoom enjoy beating your easy ai then... Its nothing to do with line of sight... the archer unit could see the cav unit running behind the hill also the ai army left an entire flank of its army wide open. Anyway the point is theyre not implimenting LOS for the ai where did you read that? Let me say this if they do impliment true los for the ai it will be the worst ever seen in a totalwar game bar none.. Take a minute and think about it this would give the player a huge advantage over an already poor ai that struggles to cope with even making a battle line let alone cover flanking or anything else.

You cant hope for a believable ai and a good ai with the state the ai has been in the past years. You could have an ai thats got a monkey in command that would be believable. Did you play shogun? there was no true LOS there the enemy wouldent suddenly appear behind the ridgeline what are you talking about? and in shogun missles could even fire through hills thats not true los either.

**Kagemusha** · 10-21-2010, 08:20

I think they should just give LOS for the human player. Tie up the players vision to what the general can actually see and running battles would turn out lot more complicated instantly. As AI hardly can beat human brain to begin with.Why do we have an edge over it with a bird eye view?

**Swoosh So** · 10-21-2010, 08:27

I dont think we have with the bird eye view kage. Player says that was easy i rolled that flank and the ai dident even respond! ai programmer says yes in order to make the ai believable it was off doing other things ahem *cough* LOS for the player would be a welcome handicap ofc but im telling you if they do give this los to the ai its gonna be laughably easy. The only way a player is going to feel like theyre facing a real general is to play a drop in battle the AI is so far off the mark here its unbelivable.