Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[anubis88]

Anyway, next skins: 3 elite catas for Pontos, Hayasdan and Atropatene, you know you want them

I better see them soon; they are one of the most anticipated on my behalf... You better make the Pontos ones look great or else



@Hax: Only the Japanese can come up with something like that... LOL

[Rahwana]

nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice

how about the hindustan warriors?

[Hax]

No. I don't think so.

[Beefy187]

@Sonic Off to the babe thread

[Skullheadhq]

nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice nice

how about the hindustan warriors?

I would want to 'fight' with these sorts of warriors! *packs his stuff runs off to local army recruitment office*

[Rahwana]

did AtB finally died?

[gamegeek2]

Resting, not dead. :D

[Cute Wolf]

Resting, not dead. :D

more correctly... coma... until the original leaders start showing up again...

(gamegeek2 should go to India, and drag those guys on to their computers)

[Tanit]

Sorry for the absence guys, been doing university exams, then moving to another city. I can work on this again now. I have a tight schedule right now, I can give you tuesday mornings though. See you on the forum!

[Nyz]

more correctly... coma... until the original leaders start showing up again...

(gamegeek2 should go to India, and drag those guys on to their computers)

Launch a coup d'état then and take over the group...

[Rahwana]

Launch a coup d'état then and take over the group...

ssh, be careful or we'll have another invasion... (EBNOM team invading India)

[Tanit]

Started working on the forum again today. GG2, do you have me on msn? I can be on tonight and I pm'ed you my msn.

[Skullheadhq]

Perfect, I'll do another skin soon

[Blxz]

Woot, its on again. Never anticipated a mod with such deep eagerness before. I look forward to your first release even if its not as polished as the end result.

[Lazy O]

Is this dead?

[LDC]

It's as dead as my penis, if you know what I mean~

[Rahwana]

It's as dead as my penis, if you know what I mean~

have you been castrated? or don't said you are another female masquerade as male if you know who I meant
AtB is as dead as dead phoenix, just wait patiently in his egg, looking for the next momentum available

[Iron Fist]

I want to believe it's still going..

[Tanit]

Hijacked:

I am preparing historical, geographical and other information for an ATB mod on EB2 when it comes out. Some preliminary thoughts below. Please send me a PM if you are interested in helping me research for this potential future mod.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Factions:

1: Mauryan Empire
FMs: Bindusara, Rani Dharma, Ashoka, Devi, Sangamitta, Mahinda
Capital: Pāṭaliputra
Ethnicity: Indian

2: Kalinga
FMs: Raja Anantha padmanabhan, Nandidev Ghosh, Vimdev Mahapatra
Capital: Dhauli
Ethnicity: Indian

3: Chera
FMs:
Capital: Kizhanthur-Kandallur, (Vanchi Muthur, Kodungallur
Ethnicity: Indian

4: Cholas
FMs: Cerupazhi Erinda Ilanjaetcenni,
Capital: Poompuhar, Urayur,
Ethnicity: Indian

5: Pandya
FMs: Nan Maran, Nedunj Cheliyan III ( Talaiyaalanganathu Seruvendra Nedunj Cheliyan
Capital: Madurai, Korkai
Ethnicity: Indian

6: Anuradhapura
FMs: Suratissa, Devanampiya Tissa, Uttiya, Mahasiva and Asela
Capital: Anuradhapura
Ethnicity: Indian

7: Baktria
FMs: See EB
Capital: Baktra
Ethnicity: East Hellenic

8: Mazakata
FMs:
Capital:
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

9: Pahlava
FMs: Tirdad ofparthia, Abgineh, Dadhoush ofparthia, Parimah, Farangis, Darman of_Nisa, Phrapates ofparthia, Arshak ofparthia, ArshakA ofparthia, Harasp of_Nisa
Capital: Nisa
Ethnicity: Eastern

10: Saka Rauka
FMs: See EB
Capital: Chighu
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

11: Asman
FMs:
Capital:
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

12: Yuezhi
FMs: unnamed Queen
Capital: Dunhuang
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

13: Xiongnu
FMs: Touman (Needs a father)
Capital: The Longcheng (蘢城), near Khoshoo Tsaidam in Mongolia, was established as the annual meeting place and de facto capital.
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

14: Tonghu
FMs:
Capital:
Ethnicity: East Nomadic

15: Joseon
FMs: Bu
Capital: Pyongyang
Ethnicity: North Asian

16: Jin (Could replace with Hadramaut, or Satavahanna)
FMs:
Capital: South of Han river
Ethnicity: North Asian

17: Nakoku
FMs:
Capital: Na no agata
Ethnicity: North Asian

18: Yan
FMs: Qin Kai, King Wei
Capital: Ji
Ethnicity: Sinitic

19: Qin
FMs: King Zhaoxiang/Ji, Xiaowen/Anguo, Zhuangxiang/Ying Yiren, Xia, Huayang, Zhao, Lü Buwei, Bai Qi, Wang Xi, Wang Ling and Zheng Anping, Lao Ai
Capital: Xianyang
Ethnicity: Sinitic

20: Zhao
FMs: Yue Yi, Lian Po, Zhao She and Li Mu, King Huiwen, Xiaocheng
Capital: Initially Jinyang, later Handan
Ethnicity: Sinitic

21: Wei
FMs: Anxi, Jingmin
Capital: Daliang
Ethnicity: Sinitic

22: Qi
FMs: Fazhang, King Xiang of Qi, Jian
Capital: Linzi
Ethnicity: Sinitic

23: Han
FMs: Huanhui, Han Fei
Capital: Xinzheng
Ethnicity: Sinitic

24: Lu
FMs:
Capital: Qufu (Lu)
Ethnicity: Sinitic

25: Chu
FMs: Qingxiang, Kaolie
Capital: Chen (later Shouchun)
Ethnicity: Sinitic

26: Dian
FMs: Zhuan Qiao
Capital: Shizhaishan
Ethnicity: Yue

27: Zina
FMs:
Capital: Biye
Ethnicity: Yue

28: Minyue
FMs:
Capital: Dongye
Ethnicity: Yue

29: Au Viet
FMs: Thuc Phan
Capital: (In Cao Bang Province)
Ethnicity: Yue

30: Van Lang
FMs:
Capital: Phong Châu
Ethnicity: Yue

[Iron Fist]

Excellent idea, but...I doubt that there is much information about them all cool factions in the east available.

[Tanit]

Perhaps not as bad as you think. Information for india and China proper is decent, better than some of the EB factions, and even Joseon has enough information on it to scrape out a faction. The only potential factions truly lacking in information are the Nakoku, Jin, Au Viet, Van Lang and Tonghu, the worst being Nakoku and Jin. I already have a preliminary unit list.

[Cute Wolf]

so Tanit... this way, you officially said AtB is abandoned or....

[Tanit]

No, I never said that, I am simply hijacking the project for my own means of a future EB2 mod until such time as the project revives. When the project revives my work will be AtB2.

[Tanit]

The Far East in 272 BC:

Persia, Arachosia and the surrounding lands:

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The Seleukid Empire still controls the eastern lands as far as Arachosia, having lost their Indian holdings to Chandragupta Maurya. However, the land teeters on the brink of rebellion. The satraps of Baktria grow tired of Seleukid neglect, their focus on Syria, and there is talk of continuing without the Seleukids.

The Pahlava and Dahae, subject to the will of the Seleukids, sense a weakening in Seleukid power as the Seleukid focus on the west drains their resources. A manifest destiny awaits these tribes, and they plan to seize it.

Once it would have been the mighty Mazsakatae who threatened the eastern borders of the Seleukid realm, but their power has wained, now but a memory. Instead a new group of Sakae dominates the steppe north of Sogdiana, the Saka Rauka. They are not so aggresive now, but the hold of the Yavannas on the east is weak, and under pressure from eastern tribes, the Saka will move south to escape their eastern rivals.

India:

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Bindusara, son of the legendary Chandragupta Maurya, rules the vast Mauryan empire, but he is ageing, and many believe he will not last the winter. When he dies there will be a question of succession, for while Susima is the eldest brother, and the traditional heir to the throne, Ashoka's popularity with the army, the people, and their father, has brought him to the fore of succession. This fact sits ill with Ashoka's elder brothers, and they will make him fight for his throne.

Immediately bordering the Mauryan empire are two smaller states. The first is the tributary Satavahana, while the seem content with being subservient to the Mauryans now, the succession of a weak ruler to the Mauryan throne could encourage them to rebel. The second is the mighty Kalinga empire. While smaller than the Mauryans, the Kalingas are still mighty and proud of their land, a war with this empire would be bloody.

To the far south the peninsula is divided between numerous would-be empires. The strongest of them, the Cholas, Cheras and Pandyas, vie for supremacy among each other. Should any of them gain the upper hand, they could one day be a threat to the Mauryans. Off the coast lies the mysterious island nation of Anuradhapura. The island stronghold makes them a force to be reckoned with, for they will not be taken easily. And though they are isolationist now, an invasion, or interference from the mailand could encourage them to invade.

China:

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War has waged across this land, unending, for centuries. Every state aims to make themselves the dominate kingdom, and by so doing, Emperor. Recent battles have served to demonstrate the increasing ascendancy of one state in particular, the state of Qin. While many other states, such as Chu, Zhao, Yan and Qi, are still powerful, each alone cannot hope to stand up to this new and improved force of war that is Qin. With the right alliances Qin could be defeated and another state could rise to power. Even one of the less powerful states, Wei, Han or even Lu, could do so under the right leadership, for while they are weak now, they were not always so. To the south are the outcast states of China. First is the state of Minyue, claiming their royal heritage from the state of Yue, annexed years earlier by the state of Chu. Second is the state of Dian, founded by the renegade Chu general Zhuang Qiao after his state's failed expedition to the region. Lastly are the people who call themselves Zina, a confederated state with delusions of grandeur, yet not to be ignored.

Far to south lay lands of the yue-people to which the armies of China have not yet marched. There lies the ancient kingdom of Van Lang, yet its supremacy is now challenged by Thuc Phan, leader of the Au Viet tribes, who plans to win himself a crown.

Korea and Japan:

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On the Korean peninsula is the ancient kingdom of Joseon, whose foundation rests in myth and lore. Yet these are sad days for Joeson. the ruling houses squabble amongst one another and the outlying regions suffer from the attacks of barbarian horsemen and the state of Yan. A number of the ruling houses of the southern peninsula have rebelled against the central Joseon government, which they were once in control of, but in which they have now been replaced by other, more northernly familys. The future of Joseon stands upon a precipice. Under the right leadership they can quell this rebellion in the south and fight off the invaders to regain their position as the most dominant force in the region. However, it will not be an easy task. And should either the riders of the steppe, or the states to the south become united under one banner, Joseon will surrounded and destroyed.

On the mysterious archipeligo of Wa the influence of the mainland states is beginning to appear. Numerous landowners and lords vie for supremacy across the islands. The most powerful of these lords is that of the Nakoku in the south. Should the Nakoku wish to keep it this way they will have to move quickly, for it is only a matter of time before another house rises to power, such as the Yamatai to the north, or a mainland power takes greater interest in the affairs of Wa.

The Eastern Steppe:

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What was once a leaderless and lawless land of bandits and marauders, or so the world saw them, is becoming much more. This is an age of unity. Tribes are joining together in confederations to stand against their enemies, both nomadic, and sedentary. Most powerful are the growing Xiongnu, under their Chanyu they make a powerful confederation, yet they are almost equalled by some. East of them is the confederation of the Tonghu, made up of the tribes of the Xianbei, Tuoba, Wuhuan and many others. To south are the Yuezhi, a group of Tocharian tribes growing strong off the trade of the silk road. Finally, to the west are the Asman, the strong Wusun horsemen. All of these tribes are formidable, and should any one of them become the sole power of the Eastern Steppe, then none will be able to stand against them.

[Lazy O]

Maurya is Bihari!! I demand seperate ethnicity.....Or at least something a little more unique than "Indian"

[Tanit]

Having to split up seven ethnicities is difficult. Current layout would look something like: 1: East Hellenic, 2: Eastern, 3: Nomadic, 4: Indian, 5: Sinitic, 6: Yue, 7: North Asian

1 and 2 are needed for Baktria and Parthia, very sad that they need two seperate cultures, but they do. Although there are lots of differences between Indian and Steppe groups, I had to combine them to keep enough culture slots, though if you have a better word for Indian I will gladly pursue it. Yue culture is needed for all the south-Asian factions who are not Sinicized yet. Of course Sinitic is needed for the Chinese, and finally North Asian does a job for Joseon and Nakoku, workable since it is believed the Yayoi culture emigrated from the mainland, somewhere around Korea or Manchuria, not too long before 272 BC.

[Lazy O]

Then if culture slots are limited..... Id gladly settle for indian.

[DeathFinger]

Having to split up seven ethnicities is difficult. Current layout would look something like: 1: East Hellenic, 2: Eastern, 3: Nomadic, 4: Indian, 5: Sinitic, 6: Yue, 7: North Asian

Although there are lots of differences between Indian and Steppe groups, I had to combine them to keep enough culture slots, though if you have a better word for Indian I will gladly pursue it.

I don't know if it's relevant, but "Deši"?

Edit: nop, seems to not had the same meaning as it has now. Maybe "Deš" (nation).

[Lazy O]

No that would not work. Its just a language change and its even more generic

[Cute Wolf]

if that for M2TW, I recall someone said there was 10 culture limit instead of 7