Multiculturalism is dead

[Fragony]

Meh after reading about the hardships of an Egyptian gay who had to flee the islam only to find it here as well, it isn't just bad it's hell. Multiculture isn't dead, nobody means the Asians or the Hindu's after all. It are the arabs, they belong in the middle-east we don't have any desert to dust of, living in a modern civilisation is just too confusing.

[Hax]

It are the arabs, they belong in the middle-east we don't have any desert to dust of, living in a modern civilisation is just too confusing.

Thanks. Should I pick my stuff up now or do you want me to leave tomorrow?

[Fragony]

Thanks. Should I pick my stuff up now or do you want me to leave tomorrow?

Depends on how much you ask, if that is too much it would be right now

[Vladimir]

Meh after reading about the hardships of an Egyptian gay who had to flee the islam only to find it here as well, it isn't just bad it's hell. Multiculture isn't dead, nobody means the Asians or the Hindu's after all. It are the arabs, they belong in the middle-east we don't have any desert to dust of, living in a modern civilisation is just too confusing.

That's a bit harsh. You understand they invented agriculture, law, and the first cities, right?

[Fragony]

That's a bit harsh. You understand they invented agriculture, law, and the first cities, right?

lolwut, arabs didn't invent anything they conquered places where there was inventiion.There is no real contribution only camels and swords.

[Hax]

Depends on how much you ask, if that is too much it would be right now

Don't be nonsensical. I'm an Arab, at least partially.

You are saying that Arabs can't live in a modern society? Take the United States, for example. In 1999, the median annual income of one Arab-American family was $47,000, compared to a general $42,000. In 2009 the median annual income is $59,012 compared to a general $59,029, and that is counting the influx of people coming from the wartorn regions in the Middle-East. Arab-Americans are one of the most well-integrated people in the United States.

lolwut, arabs didn't invent anything they conquered places where there was inventiion.There is no real contribution only camels and swords.

Hey, it's Thomas d'Aquinas on the phone, he wants to have a word with you about a certain Al-Farabi.

[Fragony]

Apoligies, was no ad hominum, go too far at times.

[Hax]

It's not me I'm worried about, I don't feel particularly attached to my Arabicity (I made that word up), but I don't think Arabs can't live in a modern society. Hell, look at Jordan. They're going in the right direction, as far as I can see.

[Strike For The South]

lolwut, arabs didn't invent anything they conquered places where there was inventiion.There is no real contribution only camels and swords.

There are 2 things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch

[al Roumi]

There are 2 things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch

Nigel Powers.

[Fragony]

There are 2 things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch

It's better to be known than liked, and everybody loves the Dutch or at least tries to, but everybody has an opinion on this pocket-superpower regardless. Holland pwns Texas by a landslide in coolness

[Vladimir]

Nigel Powers.

It's better to be known than liked, and everybody loves the Dutch or at least tries to, but everybody has an opinion on this pocket-superpower regardless. Holland pwns Texas by a landslide in coolness

Step back; breathe...

[Strike For The South]

It's better to be known than liked, and everybody loves the Dutch or at least tries to, but everybody has an opinion on this pocket-superpower regardless. Holland pwns Texas by a landslide in coolness

lol.

The only reason people know your country exists is because whores and smack are legal

One trick pony much?

[Hax]

The only reason people know your country exists is because whores and smack are legal

And they're planning to end that, too. Thinking of moving to Belgium, or France.

[Fragony]

lol.

The only reason people know your country exists is because whores and smack are legal

One trick pony much?

You know it's true, it just doesn't get any more awesome. You are immediately everybody's best friend. Except in Belgium. And Texas probably but I mean common, at least Egypt decorated their desert with awesome pyramids.

[The Stranger]

multiculturalism has always been more like pan culturalism...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's a bit harsh. You understand they invented agriculture, law, and the first cities, right?

No, that was the Assyrians and Summarians, both groups conquered by the Arabs after the coming of Islam.

[Vladimir]

No, that was the Assyrians and Summarians, both groups conquered by the Arabs after the coming of Islam.

It's just another layer on the cake. We're all like that.

You're saying that Egyptians didn't build the pyramids.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's just another layer on the cake. We're all like that.

You're saying that Egyptians didn't build the pyramids.

No, it isn't because the Egyptians actually built those Pyramids (they aren't Arabs either, btw), the Arabs themselves didn't invent agriculture, law or cities, they took all those things from other people. The primary Arab invention is Islam, along with a few forms of curved sabre that might actually come from the Greeks originally anyway.

Saying the Arabs invented agriculture is rather like saying the Romans invented geometry.

[Fragony]

They still came up with the greatest mathematic invention ever, the number zero, and in consequence algorithms. To give the arabs no credit at all.. Assyrians and Sumerians were also conquerors they didn't invent it, they were pretty developed already.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Why does it matter what 'race' invented what? It's not like we would suddenly have to view Islam more highly just because Arabs poineered civilisation. The Koran is pretty much just a plagiarisation of the Bible anyway.

[al Roumi]

Really? Is it only a personal opinion - like a preference of sweets over cauliflower - whether or not six million Jews should be exterminated?

How else would you explain Hitler and a good part of the Nazi party holding such views? Surely they formed their opinions that this was a “good” thing to do in the same way as you and I have arrived at the contrary position –through experience and reflection based on a framework of values.

Do you accept any morality at all?
If you happen upon a fourteen year old girl, who fell of her bicycle, is there moral equivalence between the man who calls an ambulance then lends her his cellphone to call her parents, and the man who drags her into nearby bushes, abuses her, then murders her to destroy the evidence of his act?

Even if current post-modern philosophy can pinpoint neither absolute truths nor morals, absolute moral relativism is a practical dead end. Resentment of absolutes, of people and ideologies claiming absolute truths should not mean one should fall for the trap of going the other extreme, to deny any morality or truth at all.

Of course I personally "accept morality" and naturally concur with the intended sense of your exposes. However, I recognise that to those with opinions as strongly held as my own, the truth of their derived beliefs is as great to them as mine is to me.

Yet, I also recognise that in practice, society must work out a way to accommodate these differing views for the greater good. I kept banging on about mutual understanding etc because that is the only thing that allows two conflicting views to begin to be peaceably reconciled; and tolerance because where possible, its easier just to live and let live.

I concede that by such reasoning, even such issues as equality of race, sex etc are questioned –but so they are throughout the world today, and so they have been throughout history. For example, it is fruitless and almost meaningless for people to state things like “human rights are universal” when they quite patently are not universally considered to be so in significant proportions of the world.

[Tellos Athenaios]

They still came up with the greatest mathematic invention ever, the number zero, and in consequence algorithms. To give the arabs no credit at all.. Assyrians and Sumerians were also conquerors they didn't invent it, they were pretty developed already.

No, the number zero comes from Indians (or at least first well known use of it). And you can have algorithms without zero. However 0 and 1 are exceedingly important in unifying frameworks in mathematics.

But Rhyfelwyr is right: none of these inventions have the remotest bearing on the cultural relevance/superiority of the various Arab nations today.