Multiculturalism is dead

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-31-2010, 18:03

Originally Posted by Fragony

How so? Violent no disrespectful yes, imho you should just deal with that, asking me to alter my daily business out of respect for your imaginary friends is much more intrusive than mocking said intrusion could ever be.

Not physically violent, but if you look at the invective that Dawkins, "religion is the cause of most wars" Hitches "religion ruins everything" or Pullman "I want to destroy the foundation of Christianity" you get the distinct impression this is more than just reasoned dislike, or even disdain.

Do you not think?

**Fragony** · 10-31-2010, 18:52

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Not physically violent, but if you look at the invective that Dawkins, "religion is the cause of most wars" Hitches "religion ruins everything" or Pullman "I want to destroy the foundation of Christianity" you get the distinct impression this is more than just reasoned dislike, or even disdain.

Do you not think?

Obvious attacks, but I agree with them, and they can go in with a stretched leg I don't mind really

**Hax** · 10-31-2010, 20:17

Still, India would be a much more miserable place today were it not for Western interference.

In the eyes of people from the West, yeah, and I agree. However, Muslim Indian scholars viewed the British raj as the Dar al-Harb.

**Fragony** · 10-31-2010, 21:12

Anything non-islamic can be that, it means 'house of war', land of unbelievers.

**Hax** · 10-31-2010, 21:20

Anything non-islamic can be that, it means 'house of war', land of unbelievers.

I'm quite aware, thank you very much. I must correct you however, land of unbelievers is "dar al-kufr", meaning (literally) "house of the non-believers.

However, several Islamic scholars (especially from Persia) have said that a non-Shari'a state can very well be a dar al-salaam.

**Fragony** · 10-31-2010, 21:39

Originally Posted by Hax

I'm quite aware, thank you very much. I must correct you however, land of unbelievers is "dar al-kufr", meaning (literally) "house of the non-believers.

However, several Islamic scholars (especially from Persia) have said that a non-Shari'a state can very well be a dar al-salaam.

Don't bs me I know my stuff, it simply means territory not yet under islam.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-31-2010, 21:23

Originally Posted by Hax

In the eyes of people from the West, yeah, and I agree. However, Muslim Indian scholars viewed the British raj as the Dar al-Harb.

Non sequitur.

**Hax** · 10-31-2010, 21:43

Non sequitur.

I don't know, it might be very important.

Since there apparently is a problem with Islam?

EDIT: Also, hey look, a self-describing post!

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-01-2010, 12:40

Originally Posted by Fragony

Obvious attacks, but I agree with them, and they can go in with a stretched leg I don't mind really

Agreeing with them is one thing, hurling hatred and bile at a significant proportion of the population because they don't agree with you is not healthy. In fact, believing religion is "evil" or that religious beliefs "cause evil" is also unhealthy, because it assumes that, up until no more than 200 years ago pretty much everyone and everything was motivated by evil.

That's a Renaissance prejudice against the "ignorant" people of the past, it's a form of cultural self-hate, and it is inacurate.

So, it can't really be seen as intellectually very healthy.

Can it?