What should the voting age be?

**HoreTore** · 11-03-2010, 17:26

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Rubbish. The Basques are over such a small area they'd be subsumed in democracy as part of Spain. They want a democracy of their little area.

Their problem is that they don't feel that their voice is heard. How to make that voice heard, in their own democracy or within a spanish democracy is a secondary logistical problem. They say they want their own country, sure, but if they feel their voice is being heard as part of a spanish democracy, they will accept that.

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Are you implying people didn't work before democracy? People don't work for the government but for food, mortgage etc. etc.

No.

No, you've misunderstood me completely.....And I'm not sure how to explain it any better, unfortunately.

**Skullheadhq** · 11-03-2010, 17:33

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Their problem is that they don't feel that their voice is heard. How to make that voice heard, in their own democracy or within a spanish democracy is a secondary logistical problem. They say they want their own country, sure, but if they feel their voice is being heard as part of a spanish democracy, they will accept that.

It's not that they're not being heard, they already have a great deal of autonomy but their only goal is independence from Spain, how much autonomy or democracy you'll give them doesn't really matter.

**HoreTore** · 11-03-2010, 17:35

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

It's not that they're not being heard, they already have a great deal of autonomy but their only goal is independence from Spain, how much autonomy or democracy you'll give them doesn't really matter.

....And why do they want independence from Spain?

Because they feel they're not being heard. Why else would they want indepedence? Because they're really big on new flags?

**Skullheadhq** · 11-03-2010, 17:37

Originally Posted by HoreTore

....And why do they want independence from Spain?

Because they feel they're not being heard. Why else would they want indepedence? Because they're really big on new flags?

You're so funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatism

**HoreTore** · 11-03-2010, 17:41

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

You're so funny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatism

Uhm, yes? Seperatism is what happens when a group doesn't feel like it's heard and seen, which is what I've been saying all along....

**rory_20_uk** · 11-03-2010, 17:46

Originally Posted by HoreTore

....And why do they want independence from Spain?

Because they feel they're not being heard. Why else would they want indepedence? Because they're really big on new flags?

You seem determined to stamp your views on everyone else. They want independence to be... independent.

**HoreTore** · 11-03-2010, 17:49

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

You seem determined to stamp your views on everyone else. They want independence to be... independent.

......because......?

**rory_20_uk** · 11-03-2010, 17:54

Let's try again.

I don't want to be part of the EU. This has nothing to do with "being heard". I want nothing to do with the EU.

I don't want to be the 51st state. This has nothing to do with "being heard".

Are you now going to tell me that in fact I do want to be part of the EU, I am just worried about not being heard?

**HoreTore** · 11-03-2010, 17:59

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Let's try again.

I don't want to be part of the EU. This has nothing to do with "being heard". I want nothing to do with the EU.

I don't want to be the 51st state. This has nothing to do with "being heard".

Are you now going to tell me that in fact I do want to be part of the EU, I am just worried about not being heard?

Why don't you want to?