What should the voting age be?

[gaelic cowboy]

What you're describing is still the symptoms of one root cause, that of, you guessed it, not being heard. The Irish had gone several centuries without being heard at all.

Being heard, taken seriously and then challenged is the fundamental need all humans have to be productive in a micro level. I haven't seen any indication that it's any different on a macro level.

No your still not getting it the people felt different and they were generally treated different because both side agreed we were different. Once we were allowed to properly organise we did not use this power to engage with Britain but to actively disengage.

This was there from day one and will be still in us long after any of us on the org are dust.

The cultural, religious and the geographical factors all combined to ensure no amount of blandishments and Hearing people could stop the feeling we did not belong in this marriage together.

Britain could point to schools an civil service jobs now available to catholics they could point to reform of landlordism and they gave us the vote an new roads and rail none of it mattered the people had been awakened the game was up.

[HoreTore]

No your still not getting it the people felt different and they were generally treated different because both side agreed we were different. Once we were allowed to properly organise we did not use this power to engage with Britain but to actively disengage.

This was there from day one and will be still in us long after any of us on the org are dust.

The cultural, religious and the geographical factors all combined to ensure no amount of blandishments and Hearing people could stop the feeling we did not belong in this marriage together.

Britain could point to schools an civil service jobs now available to catholics they could point to reform of landlordism and they gave us the vote an new roads and rail none of it mattered the people had been awakened the game was up.

So, because the people were so different, they didn't think it was possible for them to ever be heard? So because they weren't heard, they decided to abandon the union?

[gaelic cowboy]

Horetore I think I just made the point that when we were Heard the narrative we gave to London was to disengage, these other nations and cultures like Catalonia are most defo saying go home so it must be you who is not listening.