Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

[jirisys]

Perhaps Arrows and spears are different weapon types and thus have different attributes?

From EDU:

;181
type             greek missile toxotai
dictionary       greek_missile_toxotai      ; Toxotai
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 30, 0, 0.85
mount_effect     chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         3, 0, arrow, 143, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 6, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 1, -1
stat_mental      8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 411, 103, 40, 60, 411
ownership        greek_cities, thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

;142
type             greek skirmisher akontistai
dictionary       greek_skirmisher_akontistai      ; Akontistai
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_missile_akontistai, 60, 0, 0.85
mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +2, horse -2
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy, hide_long_grass
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 7, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         4, 2, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr    thrown
stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, -2
stat_mental      8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 810, 202, 20, 30, 810
ownership        thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, greek_cities, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

Resuming: Akontistai: +1 elephant than Toxotai, Akontistai javelin +1 attack than toxotai, Akontistai +30 men than toxotai (normal unit size), Akontistai -7 ammo than toxotai.

Akontistai advantage: 60*2*4*6=2880
Toxotai advantage: 30*1*3*15=1350

Akontistai advantage over toxotai: 2880/1350=2.133333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

~Jirisys (I told you to do the math )

[Cute Wolf]

From EDU:

;181
type             greek missile toxotai
dictionary       greek_missile_toxotai      ; Toxotai
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 30, 0, 0.85
mount_effect     chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         3, 0, arrow, 143, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         7, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 6, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 1, -1
stat_mental      8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 411, 103, 40, 60, 411
ownership        greek_cities, thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

;142
type             greek skirmisher akontistai
dictionary       greek_skirmisher_akontistai      ; Akontistai
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_missile_akontistai, 60, 0, 0.85
mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +2, horse -2
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy, hide_long_grass
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 7, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         4, 2, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr    thrown
stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, -2
stat_mental      8, low, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 810, 202, 20, 30, 810
ownership        thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, greek_cities, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave

Resuming: Akontistai: +1 elephant than Toxotai, Akontistai javelin +1 attack than toxotai, Akontistai +30 men than toxotai (normal unit size), Akontistai -7 ammo than toxotai.

Akontistai advantage: 60*2*4*6=2880
Toxotai advantage: 30*1*3*15=1350

Akontistai advantage over toxotai: 2880/1350=2.133333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

~Jirisys (I told you to do the math )

you forgot the "thrown" attribute of the javelins, they will negate the double shield value against missiles, and deal more damage when the targets have more hitpoints.

source : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

~ Cute Wolf

[Vaginacles]

I really didn't need to do the math, all you have to do is think about the size of a javelin compared to an arrow ^^

[vartan]

I really didn't need to do the math, all you have to do is think about the size of a javelin compared to an arrow ^^

Exactly. Sometimes you gotta just stop and relax. Not everything in life is Rocket Science!

[kidpacific]

you forgot the "thrown" attribute of the javelins, they will negate the double shield value against missiles, and deal more damage when the targets have more hitpoints.

source : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

~ Cute Wolf

Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.

Perhaps Arrows and spears are different weapon types and thus have different attributes?

Thanks for your help, you are a kind man.

[Cute Wolf]

Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.

ahh, no problem mate, (...)

~ Cute Wolf

[Blxz]

That picture means so much to me. it means you have the old style colour of the forums while I am stuck with this stupid red Shogun 2 background. How do I change it to be that babyshit brown colour again?

[Ludens]

That picture means so much to me. it means you have the old style colour of the forums while I am stuck with this stupid red Shogun 2 background. How do I change it to be that babyshit brown colour again?

Go to the drop-down menu on the bottom left of the screen and select "Guild".

[jirisys]

Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.

It wasn't a problem, so much as a query...

try http://rtw.heavengames.com/rtw/mods/...ls/index.shtml for more detailed and complete information on most of the RTW modifiable files

~Jirisys