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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaginacles View Post
    Perhaps Arrows and spears are different weapon types and thus have different attributes?
    From EDU:

    Code:
    ;181
    type             greek missile toxotai
    dictionary       greek_missile_toxotai      ; Toxotai
    category         infantry
    class            missile
    voice_type       Heavy_1
    soldier          hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 30, 0, 0.85
    mount_effect     chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +1
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
    formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
    stat_health      1, 1
    stat_pri         3, 0, arrow, 143, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr    no
    stat_sec         7, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_sec_attr    no
    stat_pri_armour  2, 6, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        1
    stat_ground      0, 0, 1, -1
    stat_mental      8, low, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 411, 103, 40, 60, 411
    ownership        greek_cities, thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave
    Code:
    ;142
    type             greek skirmisher akontistai
    dictionary       greek_skirmisher_akontistai      ; Akontistai
    category         infantry
    class            missile
    voice_type       General_1
    soldier          hellenistic_missile_akontistai, 60, 0, 0.85
    mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +2, horse -2
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy, hide_long_grass
    formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 7, square
    stat_health      1, 1
    stat_pri         4, 2, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
    stat_pri_attr    thrown
    stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_sec_attr    no
    stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 2, flesh
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        1
    stat_ground      0, 0, 0, -2
    stat_mental      8, low, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 810, 202, 20, 30, 810
    ownership        thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, greek_cities, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave
    Resuming: Akontistai: +1 elephant than Toxotai, Akontistai javelin +1 attack than toxotai, Akontistai +30 men than toxotai (normal unit size), Akontistai -7 ammo than toxotai.

    Akontistai advantage: 60*2*4*6=2880
    Toxotai advantage: 30*1*3*15=1350

    Akontistai advantage over toxotai: 2880/1350=2.133333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post
    From EDU:

    Code:
    ;181
    type             greek missile toxotai
    dictionary       greek_missile_toxotai      ; Toxotai
    category         infantry
    class            missile
    voice_type       Heavy_1
    soldier          hellenistic_missile_toxotai, 30, 0, 0.85
    mount_effect     chariot +2, horse -2, elephant +1
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
    formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 4, square
    stat_health      1, 1
    stat_pri         3, 0, arrow, 143, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr    no
    stat_sec         7, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_sec_attr    no
    stat_pri_armour  2, 6, 0, flesh
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        1
    stat_ground      0, 0, 1, -1
    stat_mental      8, low, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 411, 103, 40, 60, 411
    ownership        greek_cities, thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave
    Code:
    ;142
    type             greek skirmisher akontistai
    dictionary       greek_skirmisher_akontistai      ; Akontistai
    category         infantry
    class            missile
    voice_type       General_1
    soldier          hellenistic_missile_akontistai, 60, 0, 0.85
    mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +2, horse -2
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy, hide_long_grass
    formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 7, square
    stat_health      1, 1
    stat_pri         4, 2, javelin, 55, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
    stat_pri_attr    thrown
    stat_sec         7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
    stat_sec_attr    no
    stat_pri_armour  1, 6, 2, flesh
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        1
    stat_ground      0, 0, 0, -2
    stat_mental      8, low, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 810, 202, 20, 30, 810
    ownership        thrace, macedon, carthage, romans_julii, numidia, seleucid, egypt, greek_cities, dacia, armenia, gauls, scythia, slave
    Resuming: Akontistai: +1 elephant than Toxotai, Akontistai javelin +1 attack than toxotai, Akontistai +30 men than toxotai (normal unit size), Akontistai -7 ammo than toxotai.

    Akontistai advantage: 60*2*4*6=2880
    Toxotai advantage: 30*1*3*15=1350

    Akontistai advantage over toxotai: 2880/1350=2.133333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

    ~Jirisys (I told you to do the math )
    you forgot the "thrown" attribute of the javelins, they will negate the double shield value against missiles, and deal more damage when the targets have more hitpoints.

    source : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    I really didn't need to do the math, all you have to do is think about the size of a javelin compared to an arrow ^^

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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaginacles View Post
    I really didn't need to do the math, all you have to do is think about the size of a javelin compared to an arrow ^^
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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    you forgot the "thrown" attribute of the javelins, they will negate the double shield value against missiles, and deal more damage when the targets have more hitpoints.

    source : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

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    Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
    Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaginacles View Post
    Perhaps Arrows and spears are different weapon types and thus have different attributes?
    Thanks for your help, you are a kind man.
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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by kidpacific View Post
    Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
    Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.
    ahh, no problem mate, (...)

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    That picture means so much to me. it means you have the old style colour of the forums while I am stuck with this stupid red Shogun 2 background. How do I change it to be that babyshit brown colour again?
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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blxz View Post
    That picture means so much to me. it means you have the old style colour of the forums while I am stuck with this stupid red Shogun 2 background. How do I change it to be that babyshit brown colour again?
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    Default Re: Does skirmisher‘s javelin has ap effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by kidpacific View Post
    Many thanks, that is exactlly what i need.
    Because your kindness and knowledge, this problem is solved.
    It wasn't a problem, so much as a query...

    try http://rtw.heavengames.com/rtw/mods/...ls/index.shtml for more detailed and complete information on most of the RTW modifiable files

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